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Morris Claiborne (17) and Cordy Glenn (71) are both in this mock draft, but neither player is going to Miami next April.
Welcome to the second edition of my 2012 NFL Mock Draft. Here are the things that have changed since we last met:
-The Colts finally secured the No.1 pick by laying down like dogs against an embarrassingly beatable Jacksonville Jaguars team. And then they gave Bill and Chris Polian the boot.
-Chicago Bears ownership finally woke up out of its coma and fired general manager Jerry Angelo.
-Indications suggest that Robert Griffin III will not stay at Baylor for his final season.
-Justin Blackmon pummeled the dickens out of Stanford to the tune of three receiving touchdowns, confirming that he is indeed the nastiest college wide receiver in the land.
-Offensive tackles Jonathan Martin (Stanford) and Riley Reiff (Iowa), and guard David DeCastro (Stanford), have all said they are going to declare for the 2012 draft. Big surprise.
That's all for now. Let's get started.

Let the drama begin! If Jim Irsay is actually serious about drafting Andrew Luck and keeping Peyton Manning, then the Colts can look forward to an eventual feud between the two quarterbacks as foretold by the "I am getting a sledgehammer to the nuts" look on Luck's face when he was asked about Manning after the Fiesta Bowl last Monday. Still, it's easy to overlook potential conflict when you're drafting an extremely rare talent at the quarterback position.
2) St. Louis Rams - Jonathan Martin, T Stanford
Let me explain this pick before anyone starts using the word "reach." I think there's a great chance that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder goes nuts over Robert Griffin III's pro day/combine performance and throws in every last chip he has in order to get the Baylor wunderkind. Therefore, the Rams can trade back to the sixth spot and get a premier left tackle to protect their suddenly gun-shy quarterback. Sam Bradford desperately needs a big-time wideout, but his career will be a short one if St. Louis doesn't commit to keeping him upright and in one piece. Mammoth Stanford tackle Jonathan Martin (6'6", 305) would also be an asset in the Rams' ground game, as he's arguably the best pure run blocker in an exceptionally talented offensive tackle class.
3) Minnesota Vikings - Matt Kalil, T USC
It's hard to believe there was actually a time when the left side of Minnesota's offensive line was like a purple Fort Knox. These days, the Vikings' alarmingly poor pass protection is pretty much only good for thing: getting quarterback Christian Ponder pummeled by pass rushers. Regardless of whether it's Ponder or Joe Webb lining up under center next season, the Vikings absolutely need a franchise left tackle to help restore order and dignity to their offensive line. I think USC's Matt Kalil would probably help the Vikings out in that department.
4) Cleveland Browns - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
The reason why the Redskins need to move up for Robert Griffin III is sitting right here at the fourth pick. Now, no one knows if Mike Holmgren would even bother with drafting a spread offense quarterback, but speculation suggests that the Browns will be in the market for RG3's services. However, if Daniel Snyder trades up for RG3 (and honestly, Snyder would include his family as part of a trade offer if he thought it would help the Redskins win games), then 'Bama running back extraordinaire Trent Richardson makes the most sense for a Browns team that basically has an infirmary for a backfield.
5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU
The Buccaneers' defense metamorphosed into pure garbage this season, and while injuries along the defensive line might explain Tampa's total inability to stop the run, the secondary was a huge liability for one simple reason: it's terrible. LSU's Morris Claiborne is a mint corner prospect with the in-your-pocket coverage ability that the Buccaneers desperately need right now.
6) Washington Redskins - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
I've already explained the story behind this pick, but perhaps Robert Griffin's biggest appeal to Washington is the fact that his mobility and vision will buy time for a Redskins offensive line that basically consists of holograms on the right side.
7) Jacksonville Jaguars - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
Instead of throwing in the towel early on Blaine Gabbert (who continues to look more and more like Randal from Clerks), Jacksonville should consider pairing their misfit quarterback with Justin Blackmon--a monstrous receiver with sky-high potential and the ability to take over games by himself (as evidenced by his Fiesta Bowl performance against Stanford last Monday). Questions remain in the Jags' secondary, but this is a team that needs to score points through the air ASAP.
8) Carolina Panthers - Alshon Jeffery, WR South Carolina
No one is about to dispute just how good Cam Newton was in his rookie season, but the Panthers still need to maximize Newton's potential and find him a burly, big-time wideout who can pound lumps on just about any defensive back in his way. South Carolina's Alshon Jeffery certainly fits that bill, and would form with Newton the most imposing quarterback/receiver duo in the league.
9) Miami Dolphins - Courtney Upshaw, OLB Alabama
The Dolphins' weakside outside linebacker spot has been a big "so what?" since Koa Misi hit town in 2010, and though Miami's defense overcame a slow start to post 41 sacks this season, getting a "concrete dynamite" pass rusher opposite Cameron Wake is an absolute must if the Dolphins want to take their young, explosive D to the next level. Alabama's Courtney Upshaw looks every bit the part of a game-changing pass rusher, combining a stout (6'2, 270) frame with good athleticism, heavy hands and the ability to take on and dominate blocks. Upshaw is also capable of either dropping into coverage or busting up the run, and has the instincts and overall intelligence to be a cerebral defender at the next level. He's the total package as a 3-4 outside linebacker.
10) Buffalo Bills - Riley Reiff, T Iowa
Injuries have hindered Buffalo's rather talented interior offensive line, but the Bills' tackles are deplorable at best. Still, it seems like Buffalo enters every offseason with a reluctance to address its offensive tackle position (maybe the organization is afraid that every franchise-caliber tackle behaves like Jason Peters?). That trend could end this April, however, as the Bills should really think about giving in and nabbing the best protector available. Interestingly, Riley Reiff might be the most complete left tackle in this draft class, and that's saying a lot.
11) Kansas City Chiefs - Luke Kuechly, ILB Boston College
Once upon a time, balding Patriots VP of Player Personnel Scott Pioli (along with Bill Belichick) surprised everyone by taking an undersized, workmanlike inside linebacker with the 10th overall pick. That linebacker was Jerod Mayo, and we all know how that worked out for New England. Four years later, look for Pioli--now calling the shots in Kansas City--to again take a chance on an inside linebacker like Luke Kuechly, who is average in stature but has the high intelligence and refined technique necessary to make a big impact the first day he steps on the field. Pair Kuechly with Derrick Johnson, Justin Houston and Tamba Hali, and you have the makings of a ridiculous linebackers corps.
12) Seattle Seahawks - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
For a team that started so poorly in 2011, the Seahawks have a surprising amount of talent on the offensive line and in the backfield, and Seattle's receiver corps isn't anything to scoff at, either. What the Seahawks need right now is an explosive defensive end who is equally capable of smashing quarterbacks or destroying the run, and that's why North Carolina's Quinton Coples (6'6", 280) should maybe think about buying some flannel shirts this spring. Go (north)west, young man.
13) Arizona Cardinals - David DeCastro, G Stanford
Yes, this is a very high spot to take a guard, but when that guard is arguably one of the best to ever play college football, it's probably okay to reach a bit. And when your interior offensive line is as godawful as Arizona's, then reaching on a freakish guard like David DeCastro is pretty much a no-brainer. For those of you who went through the 2011 season wondering how Beanie Wells was racking up huge yardage behind the Cardinals' porous offensive line, imagine how he'll do with DeCastro bulldozing paths well into the second level of defense.
14) Dallas Cowboys - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama
We've known for a while that Dallas needs a reboot at the cornerback position, but after watching the Cowboys get helplessly slapped around by the Giants receivers on Sunday night, I'd say cornerback is a flat-out necessity for Jerry Jones and Co. Janoris Jenkins, despite the fact he couldn't behave himself while at Gainesville for three seasons, is a corner prospect with excellent technique and the ability to play much bigger than his listed size (5'10", 180). Check out his near-domination of A.J. Green during the Florida/Georgia game in 2010 if you need further evidence that Jenkins is the real deal.
15) Philadelphia Eagles - Vontaze Burflict, ILB Arizona State
Andy Reid might not be fond of drafting linebackers in the first round, but it's not like he really has a choice this year. Philadelphia's linebacker corps is as bad as it gets--in need of speed, awareness and plain old hitting ability. Vontaze Burflict is a brick house on wheels and would be a great addition to a defense in need of a big presence at the mike linebacker spot.
16) New York Jets - Mark Barron, S Alabama
After leaning a bit too much on Darrelle Revis' presence in the secondary the last few seasons, Jets opponents in 2011 made a concerted effort to go after NYJ's extremely soft safeties ... and it worked. Mark Barron would end that nonsense in a hurry, as he's athletic enough to play centerfield in passing downs and physical enough to come up and smack the run.
17) Cincinnati Bengals - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama
The Bengals have been a great story this season, but you're just asking for it when Nate Clements and Kelly Jennings are holding it down for you at corner. Leon Hall will be back next year, and Cincinnati could do him a gigantic favor by bringing in a tall, ferocious corner prospect like Alabama's Dre Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick isn't exactly a sleuth in coverage (despite the fact he's made great strides in that department this season), but what he lacks in overall technique, he makes up for in size (6'2 1/2", 190), strength, speed, willingness to take on the run, and the ability to consistently deliver body-rattling hits. He'll remind of you a bigger Ronnie Lott.
18) San Diego Chargers - Jarvis Jones, OLB Georgia
Lack of quarterback pressure on defense was a big reason for San Diego's sub-par 2011 season, and it's not going to get any better until the Bolts commit to improving their pass rush from the edge. Georgia's Jarvis Jones is a powerhouse outside linebacker who did some serious damage to opposing backfields (13.5 sacks) in 2011, but he's far from a one-trick, pass-rushing pony. Jones is strong enough to hold up against the run, and has the instincts and athleticism to do work in coverage. Just a redshirt sophomore, Jones looks like an explosive defensive talent at this point.
19) Chicago Bears - Michael Floyd, WR Notre Dame
The fact that Chicago axed Jerry Angelo after making it clear that he would be a part of their 2012 offseason plans tells me that the Bears aren't messing around in this draft. Jay Cutler looked every bit the part of a franchise quarterback this season, so Chicago would be wise to get him receiving weapons and a quality offensive linemen or two (especially along the interior). With this philosophy in place, Notre Dame's Michael Floyd would be an enticing option for a Chicago offense that needs to get much bigger and faster at receiver.
20) Tennessee Titans - Alfonzo Dennard, CB Nebraska
Judging by the haymakers Nebraska cornerback Alfonzo Dennard (5'10", 205) threw at Alshon Jeffery (6'4", 230), in the Capital One Bowl last Monday, Dennard will fit right in on a Titans secondary that has carried a chippy reputation over the last few years. The real question is if the 'Fonz will be joining Titans corner Cortland Finnegan or simply replacing him. Tough call.
21) Denver Broncos - Jerel Worthy, DT Michigan State
The Broncos' defense really turned into something special this season, but while linebacker Von Miller and defensive end Elvis Dumervil have terrorized quarterbacks week in and week out in 2011, Denver still needs a dominating presence along the interior of the defensive line. Michigan State's Jerel Worthy would be an ideal fit in Denver's stifling scheme, and though he's athletic enough to get into the backfield and do damage, where he truly shines is his ability to dominate the point of attack.
22) Cincinnati Bengals - Lamar Miller, RB Miami
Cincy needs a powerful, explosive running back to complement its Grade A passing game, and Lamar Miller has the game-changing speed and thick build necessary to survive against the brutal run defenses in the AFC North. I still like David Wilson at this spot, but my friend Joe last week seemed legitimately upset about the Bengals going with Wilson over Miller. Consider this an apology.
23) Cleveland Browns - Andre Branch, DE Clemson
Cleveland still needs a receiver at this juncture, but with several big names available in the second round, the Browns might be wise to secure a heavy-handed pass rusher like Clemson's Andre Branch. Tall (6'4"), fast, strong and every bit the part of a 4-3 powerhouse defensive end, Branch would pair favorably with excellent rookie defensive end Jabaal Sheard
24) Detroit Lions - Zach Brown, OLB North Carolina
Like the Eagles, Detroit's linebacker situation borders on sickeningly bad. But while the Lions would probably prefer a corner at this spot, they'll have to settle for Zach Brown--a linebacker with cornerback-like speed. Brown would be an immediate upgrade at the will linebacker spot in Detroit's 4-3 scheme, and he's answered questions about instincts with a very impressive senior campaign at North Carolina.
25) New York Giants - Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson
Eli Manning continues to impress this season, but while the Giants' receiver corps is in great shape right now, the tight end situation in New York is a slightly different story. Dwayne Allen has become a do-everything tight end during his time at Clemson, and he'll wow you with his speed, ball skills and willingness to block. Allen is like a Swiss Army Knife at the tight end position.
26) Houston Texans - Kendall Wright, WR Baylor
Andre Johnson's absence took a lot of air out of Houston's passing attack earlier this season (before the Texans' quarterback position became an infirmary, that is), so it makes sense to bring in a receiver with the elite speed to add another dimension to Houston's offense and take some heat off of Johnson. Wright is also a valuable weapon in the return game.
27) Pittsburgh Steelers - Dontari Poe, NT Memphis
Good God, how long can Pittsburgh lean on nose tackle Casey Hampton? The Steelers have an adequate amount of youth in their defensive front seven, but need to find some youth and increased athleticism at nose tackle--the position that anchors the defensive line in a 3-4 front. Dontari Poe is a massive (6'3", 330) 0-technique prospect who does much more than simply stuff the run in a two-gap role. I wouldn't call Poe a bona-fide pass rusher, but he certainly gets into the backfield more than your average space eater at the collegiate level. Best of all, Poe has incredible strength and is difficult to block one-on-one.
28) San Francisco 49ers - Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB Illinois
The 49ers struck gold with the selection of powerhouse outside linebacker Aldon Smith last spring, and San Francisco could really put the screws to opposing offenses by bringing in another fearsome pass rusher like Illinois' Whitney Mercilus, who was a nightmare match-up for Big Ten offensive tackles this season. San Francisco could also address its sub-par secondary with this selection.
29) Baltimore Ravens - Devon Still, DT Penn State
It's hard to believe that the Ravens actually need more beef on their defensive line, but Penn State defensive tackle Devon Still is a powerful, mega-stout defender with the build to easily transition into the 5-technique position in a 3-4 scheme. Still can get to the quarterback, but he's an absolute killer against the run.
30) New England Patriots - Brandon Thompson, DT Clemson
New England's defensive line has really struggled this season, and regardless of whether the Patriots want to run a 3- or 4-man front, the bottom line is that they need to get much bigger and stronger in the trenches. Clemson's Brandon Thompson can play tackle in the 4-3 or end in the 3-4, and though he lacks the sheer athleticism to qualify him as pass-rushing threat, he's a tackling machine with the size (6'2", 310) to command the trenches at the next level.
31) New England Patriots - Cordy Glenn, T/G Georgia
It wouldn't be a true NFL draft without the Patriots trading away one of their first-round picks. However, should New England actually keep this pick, Georgia's Cordy Glenn--an absolute house of an offensive linemen--would be a no-brainer addition to an offensive line that is almost close to rebuilt at this point (Nate Solder and Sebastian Vollmer are both very promising tackles, and Logan Mankins is still the best guard in the game). Glenn can play tackle or guard, and he moves absurdly well for a linemen measuring in at 6'5", 350.
32) Green Bay Packers - Melvin Ingram, DE South Carolina
Green Bay's weak secondary has gotten plenty of attention this season (from analysts and opposing passing attacks alike), but the Pack's outside linebacker position across from Clay Matthews is almost as much of a problem right now. South Carolina's Melvin Ingram is a fast, ruthless pass rusher who will likely jump into the outside linebacker position without missing a beat. Ingram lacks polish and overall technique, but his freakish strength will help him dominate at the point of attack, and he's already demonstrated an ability to effectively eat the run.
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I'm not sure why people think there would be a fued between Luck and Manning.
What QB wouldn’t want to hone his skills under the best QB to possibly ever play the game? It’s not like Luck has incentive bonuses he won’t get by not playing. Plus it gives the Colts a chance to re-vamp their roster with youth before Luck takes the reigns in 2014. Yes, I said 2014.
luvs2drnk - January 5, 2012
I agree with this. I also don't think there would be any sort of rivalry.
Well, maybe a little…but nothing that would make Manning into a diva. I think Manning knows his time is coming and will be a professional and be a mentor to the up and coming QB.
tuscanitunr x2 - January 5, 2012
I thought Manning had a clause in his contract with an option to leave for free if they signed Luck?
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
No
So they knew they were going to have the first pick?? No- they gave him the extension BEFORE the season started and before his surgery. That’s why they brought in Kerry Collins for the season opener.
miamimike71 - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Yes, I know they gave him a new contract.
But I remember reading that there is a break clause in his contract allowing him to leave if they select another QB.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
No
There is an option for Indy to not pay Manning his bonus prior to March 8 and then he’ll be a FA, but after that date, there is nothing in Manning’s contract that would allow him to be a free agent unless he was released.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Thanks.
That cleared it up for me. But firing the Polian’s could mean the end of Manning and a new era in Indianapolis. Think of all the free cap space they can have once he’s gone.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
I thought that Manning had an out clause that he could exercise himself without reason.
Phinphinatic - January 5, 2012
Negative young grasshopper.
There is an out clause, but it is controlled by the Colts. That would be the $28 million option bonus that has been greatly discussed.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Good article on all of this
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jeff_diamond/01/03/colts.andrew.luck/index.html
thulsa - January 5, 2012
It's not necessarily a feud. I just don't think Luck will want to sit behind an established starter for 3-5 years.
I’ve said this before, if I were him there is no way I would be in favor of sitting. Seeing what Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder have done this year (especially Cam and Dalton), I would think I am 1) better than everyone of those guys 2) top their stats.
Andrew Luck is thinking right now that he can be the best QB ever. He can have every single record. If that’s the case, why sit behind a QB and lose 3,500 yds and 20+ TD’s per year? That’s not going to help him in the record book.
If Manning stays in Indy, Luck will pull an Elway or Eli and force Indy to trade him or he won’t play. That’s what I would do if I were him.
ct1361 - January 5, 2012
I can only wish you are right!!!
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Here's the problem with your theory......
Luck isn’t a diva. You’re assuming he’s concerned about getting his stats and proving his worth. With the media circus of today’s society doing what you’re suggesting will only make things worse for Luck. Not to mention hurt his marketability.
I also am not suggesting he sit for 3-5 years. 2 max, then it’s time to move on. Even Luck would realize this as a blessing.
luvs2drnk - January 6, 2012
I just can not buy that a guy as driven and competative as him would be pleased being a bench warmer.
I think its a good bet that he has been the man his whole life even amongst other stars. Probably not read to give that up.
texascowpunk - January 6, 2012
I never said he'd be happy, but he'll accept it.
Being the professional that he is, he’ll take this as an opportunity to make the most out of it. Because I just don’t buy that a guy as professional as he is, would act the way you guys are suggesting.
luvs2drnk - January 9, 2012
Because despite what they both say to the media they are both men with large egos.
Luck knows about himself what the rest of America knows, that he can go out there and start from day one and that from the beginning he might be one of the better QB’ in the NFL. The same thing that drives him to be the best QB in college football is the thing that is going to drive him to be a starter from day one in the NFL. How anyone thinks that he will be happy going from King of the World in college football to the bench warmer is beyond me.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
I agree I can't see Luck being ok with sitting on the bench
when we know (hence he knows) he’ll be better than 20 or more other starting NFL QB’s as a rookie. Having him pull an Eli or Elway is probably our only chance though. I doubt you’ll see him say anything to the media though.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
MAN I´ll pray for everything you guys are saying to become reality
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
He is smart enough to say the right things to the media. He has an image to cultivate and I assume there is good
money already being spent to craft that image. He might be a giant douche for all we know but it does not help him financially for us to believe anything but that he is the all American kid that just happens to be a total stud at QB. As Keith pointed out to me he of course said all the right things when asked about playing with/behind Manning but you could see on his face that it was not a concept that he is thrilled with.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
King of the World in college football??????
C’mon now tex, you’re reaching now. Almost every QB drafted in the first round thinks they can start from day one in the NFL. I’m not arguing that Luck can’t. He very well will probably be able to. But I don’t think either of these guys has as big an ego as you’re assuming. Now your argument might have worked for a guy like Cam Newton, but not Andrew Luck.
There’s one other angle you’re failing to take into consideration. What happens if he doesn’t quite play as well as everyone expects, and Indy has another epic collapse. Would you want your whole fan base and the entire media wishing Manning was still there and you were on the bench?
luvs2drnk - January 6, 2012
Really? Can you name a player that has been more hyped/over hyped in recent years?
I don’t say it like its a bad thing but most of these guys have huge egos. It does not mean they are d bags but just have over the top belief in their own abilities.
No but I also doubt he believes this is a possibility at this point. See my previous point.texascowpunk - January 6, 2012
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Cam Newton ring a bell? Yes, Luck is being called the next Peyton Manning. but hype doesn’t make you the king of college football. The guy didn’t even win the heisman!!!
While I’m sure he has confidence in his abilities, I don’t believe they’re over the top. Tim Tebow had over the top beliefs in his abilities.
Really? Can you name a player that has ever thought it was a possibility?
luvs2drnk - January 9, 2012
By the way, like the Landry Jones pick.
I believe that’s who’s going to be the guy we end up taking. Maybe not at 9, we may trade down a bit since his draft stock has fallen.
luvs2drnk - January 5, 2012
Do you risk it if he is your guy?
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
I'd trade down as far as it was a safe bet.
But seeing how he’s going back to school it’s kind of a moot point. Although I wouldn’t be against trading away our first round pick this year for a first next year and a later round (2nd or 3rd) pick this year. I just don’t see a QB worth taking in the first round this year. By that I mean RG3 and Luck will cost too much, and the rest aren’t first round talent.
luvs2drnk - January 6, 2012
I would be on board with that concept. If I were Ireland I would stongly consider it especially if I can move this years
first for one from a team that I am fairly sure will suck next year. That gives you two next year to go after Jones. If the team you traded with sucks bad enough maybe you can just pick him while still retaining your other pick. Either way you win!
texascowpunk - January 6, 2012
Exactly!
luvs2drnk - January 9, 2012
Think Ryan Tannehill will sneak into the first.
If we can’t get RG3, and can’t move down, then Jones is the guy. He does worry me though. Reminds me of Henne.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
The only way Tannehill sneaks into the first is if a team trades back up into the first round.
And really, the only teams that are pretty high up in the 2nd that may look at him would include Washington, Miami, Cleveland, and a slim chance the Bills may. Beyond them, you have KC and Seattle who pick closer to the middle of the 2nd and would probably prefer to see if Tannehill drops into the 34-40 range in the 2nd round, making it so they don’t have to trade a 2013 first round pick just to get him.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
No one thought Ponder would be a 1st round pick and he was.
Seattle may pull the trigger on him if we take Jones. He will wow scouts at the combine and teams will be impressed by him during his interviews. Ideally he needs to sit behind a QB for the next 2-3 years, then I think he can be real good.
But you might be right. If Manning leaves the Colts and another team sign up Flynn, he could very well be taken in the 2nd.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
Or maybe, just maybe, the Browns could grab Tannehill with their 23rd pick of the draft...
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
Didn't think of Cleveland with 23.
That would be the most likely of the scenarios if he does sneak into the first.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
That's a possibillity
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
There were plenty that though Ponder was a late first round prospect.
I think Seattle would take Tannehill, but not at the position they’re in with the draft. That’s just very high for him and it would benefit Seattle to try and trade down and snag Tannehill if they wanted him over some others. For better or for worse, Carroll is very high on Jackson and I don’t know if he’ll be that eager to bring in a new QB with such a high pick.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
But can you imagine the Browns with Richardson and Ryan Tannehill (23rd pick). Wow.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
I think they'd be better off with Blackmon and then someone like Tannehill.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Someone will take a shot at Tannehill in the first.
QB’s are at a premium now more then ever.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
Agreed, I can really see it being the Browns.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
Jones is a very good pick
Blaze453 - January 5, 2012
Jones had 1 touchdown in last four games and turned ball over 4 times against OSU
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
agreed...
i woudl rather draft no one and trade the pick for a later first round pick and a future 1st rounder.
Phinphinatic - January 5, 2012
But as KMB pointed out they pull Jones out of the game in the Red Zone so that affects his stats.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
Hmm...Not sure about Jones...
If Luck or RG3 are not possibilities…I’m thinking that we should go for the best player available…maybe a Right Tackle? Or another stud WR?
cordy_1971 - January 5, 2012
I agree Cordy! I no desire to see us get Jones. He's overrated IMO.
I’d rather us reach for a true #1 WR(not one who can’t catch the ball in the endzone), OLB/DE(4-3) or a shutdown CB with this pick. RT is our biggest need but that can be addressed in FA or in Rds 2-3
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Agreed
Personally, I want to stick with Moore at QB, and draft around him. It would be nice if we could trade down for additional high picks and draft 2 TE’s, a RT, a WR and a pass rusher, also maybe a guard. Be happy if we could draft both Allen and Fleener ( or Eifort if he comes out ). If Blackmon or Jeffrey make it to us, then draft them. Also wouldn’t mind a ball-hawking DB.
Blue or CONKZILLA - January 5, 2012
like the pick...he just needs a good WR (Marshall) to succedd
Kdog92 - January 5, 2012
And a beasty TE in the 2nd, like Cody Fleener.
But he doesnt have the intellegience of Luck, RG3, Tannehill or even Weedon.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
I like the picks for most teams.
Cleveland will have to be debating hard for Blackmon too. If they’re keeping McCoy, they need to give him weapons. Coples to Seattle would be a boon for them. I think Jeffery is a bit high and Floyd may go above him. He has great height, but teams will be concerned about the lack of separation he creates. Jenkins is a bit high, but Dallas is a team that needs CB help and they may not shy off him. I still think he’s a 20-32 range pick if he goes in the first.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Would you all agree to pick Blackmon if (and it’s a really big if) he falls to Miami at 9? Just curious as to the reaction if and when it happens.
DolphinNation - January 5, 2012
Not only would I agree, I would take him over Jones and RGIII at this juncture.
Why no love for Matt Moore? I think his play was good enough to keep us from needing to waste an early pick on QB. Then again, it would depend on the new coaches opinion of the QB situation. If we are drafting QB early (unless its Luck) we are saying this is a rebuilding team. I personally think we are just a couple of pieces from a playoff team.
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Moore good enough...yes but good enough does not win superbowls!
We should go for the high draft pick with a QB….trade up and get RGIII or stay and take Jones….let whoever compete with Moore & the let the better man/QB win the job!!
MassFinFan65 - January 5, 2012
There have been plenty of QB's that were just average in talent who have SB rings.
The overall talent on the team is so much more important. Besides arm strength (what Jones talent is based on at this point) is so overrated for NFL qb’s. We can get a QB in a later rd but I don’t think we need to pull the trigger in Rd 1.
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
There have been a couple, not “plenty”, especially in the last 15 years. You can’t look at teams in the 70’s & 80’s as the rules and the passing game is totally different. The only 2 teams to win with an average QB in the last 15 years were Baltimore and Tampa Bay and both had near historic defenses. You need a top level QB in todays NFL to compete for a Super Bowl on a consistent basis.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
How many of these SB Qb's that you consider great were top ten picks?
I bet not very many. Tom Brady, Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre were not. David Carr, Vince Young, Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell (the list goes on) were.
My point being that picking a QB in the 1st rd because it gives you the best chance for success is flawed logic.
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
So now you're just saying don't draft a QB in the top 10?
The QBs you named that won Super Bowls are great QBs. They were definitely not average as you first suggested.
A QB taken in the first round doesn’t give you the best chance. A great QB gives you the best chance. it just so happens that many of the top QBs are first round QBs. When you do the math…
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Many of the top QB's are also not high draft picks.
I would say picking the best QB available in rd 1 instead of best player available is a surefire way to ensure you are picking early again the following year.
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
I have always said you don't pick a QB in the first round for the sake of taking a QB in the first round.
You have to be smart about it, but you don’t shy away from taking a QB in the first round because some of them have been busts and other successful QBs have been taken later in the first round.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Not picking a QB in the 1st round
because a couple in history have turned out is flawed logic.
Also, both Brees and Favre were considered 1st round QB going into the draft but fell for various reasons and Aaron Rodgers was considered a possibility at #1 (hence why he was in the greenroom). Look at the percentages of QB drafted 2nd-7th round and how they have turned out in comparison to 1st round QB’s. It isn’t even close.
Out of all top 10 picks there are only a few every year that become elite, there are a lot of failed top 10 picks at all positions. Out of the failed QB’s you listed Alex Smith could win a SB this year, David Carr didn’t even have time to go into a 3 step drop and both Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell were wowed by owners that forced their GM to draft them.
There is a chance Kirk Cousins becomes an elite QB but the odds of a 3rd round QB becoming more than an average backup is a lot lower than a 1st round QB becoming a solid starter-franchise QB. We have wasted what 5 or 6 2nd round picks on QB’s and none have made any impact (except Henne, how sad is that) at all.
Also, out of the last 15 Super Bowl winners 1st round QB have been: Ben Roethlisberger (11th overall), Eli Manning (1st overall), Peyton Manning (1st overall), John Elway (1st overall) & Aaron Rodgers (24th overall and as I said above was slated to go top 5). Drew Brees was 32nd overall and Brett Favre was 33rd overall. The only top QB’s to win a SB in the last 15 years to not be drafted in the top 35 picks was Kurt Warner and Tom Brady. Are you really saying we should wait around for a Kurt Warner, Tom Brady or Tony Romo to fall in our lap? We have drafted 2 QB in the 1st round since 1967,Bob Griese and Dan Marino, it is about time we do something about it and go and get our QB of the future not wait until the NFL fairies gift wrap a QB and drop it in our lap.
Random note of the day, I didn’t realize until today that we drafted Joe Theismann in 1971 who many will remember beat us in Super Bowl XVII.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
Cousins
I love this kid. I watched about 3 Michigan State games this year and every game he looked great. One game against a ranked opponent, they would have won but for dropped passes and 2 fumbles by the RB and WR. He looked calm in the pocket and had great accuracy. One game I seem to remember he completed like 20 in a row. And his only few incompletions were due to drops. I think this is going to be one hell of a QB in the NFL with the right coaching. He has been overachieving all his life.
miamimike71 - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Finally someone else who brings up Cousins.
Cousins is this year’s Andy Dalton!!!
NavajoShamanSchoolAlum - January 5, 2012
BTW I agree that you don't draft a QB in the
1st round just to say you drafted a QB in the 1st round but if there is a QB you have targeted you do what you can to go get him.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
Okay, I think we are saying the same thing here then.
I agree you can’t be afraid to get a QB in the 1st rd. What I think happens often however is QB’s are reached for. Typically at least 4 teams need an upgrade at QB and one guy is a sure thing and 5 qb’s have some qualities that are coveted by NFL teams. What ends up happening too often is after the 1st Qb is drafted, teams overreact and reach for guys earlier than they should be picked. Then a team has to rush developing this QB to satisfy an impatient fan base. The guy gets thrown in the mix before he is comfortable and he gets labeled as a bust. This is why IMO Brady and Rodgers became successful.
I’m okay with drafting a QB early if BPA=QB, and there is no pressure for him to play immediately.
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
i agree with all of you...
we just cant afford to reach for a QB at 9 when we can get the same guy at 24 or 25. Jones could easlily drop that far.
Phinphinatic - January 5, 2012
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson
say “Hi”
Blue or CONKZILLA - January 5, 2012
Do you think those two win Super Bowls in today's NFL as presently constituted?
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
Same as then
It would depend on how good the entire team is…and both Baltimore and Tampa Bay were nasty those years. I’ve always preferred QB’s who do the little things that keep from losing the game.
Blue or CONKZILLA - January 5, 2012
Yeah I just don't see those guys getting it done at this point.
Just as a guy like Tebow can get you to the playoffs he is not going to win you the SB. Sure there might be an anomaly that pops up but I prefer going to in each season with all things equal knowing that my team has a legit shot at the whole thing because we have a stud QB. Ever wonder what its like to be a Pats or Saints fan?
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
I get your point
but I think Moore is better than those guys.
Blue or CONKZILLA - January 5, 2012
I'll give you that.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
If we miss out on Luck/RG3...
Move up a spot or two to grab Blackmon or Jeffery, then do what we need to do to get Tannenhill late 1st/early 2nd. Thoughts?
NJ13 - January 5, 2012
I like this line of thinking way more than taking Jones at #9.
I really think we need a clear 2nd option to BM. Hartline (who I like BTW) just doesn’t seem to create enough separation consistently to be that guy. Blackmon would definitely be able to command a ton of respect and open up BM for those big plays he made in Denver.
Tannehill looks like a promising QB who could even surpass Jones on draft day with a good performance at the combine.
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
I think Hartline would be better suited in the slot but we already have someone there
He does a lot of things well but is just not a #2 quality WR. I was kind of hoping Gates turned into a Mike Wallace type and Hartline then becomes our 4th WR. He would do really well in 4 WR sets.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
I disagree. I think Hartline will look alot better with an elite QB. We're fine at WR.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
Hartline isn't a good #2 WR
I still like Hartline and he could get good separation on nickel CB but he has not shown the ability to get consistently open. He does make amazing catches when the ball is near though.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
Hartline is an ok #2 WR.
He’s steady and reliable, but unspecatacular. He’s not a weakness, but not a strength. There are greater areas of need, but if you have the chance to get two top WRs, I wouldn’t exactly pass up the opportunity.
I wouldn’t mind Blackmon in the first depending on how the QB picks go and then an OT in the 2nd. I wouldn’t like Jeffery though. I am not high on him and he doesn’t compliment Marshall well.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Oh I agree
WR is no where near our top need but if a guy like Blackmon were to somehow fall to us and we stand pat we would have to take him. I am of the opinion to always take BPA rather than reaching for need, at 8 (or 9) Blackmon would be BPA by far.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
I agree.
If Blackmon falls for some crazy reason, we should take him. Otherwise, I want Coples.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Coples?
If we go to a 4-3, then absolutely. If we stay in with a 3-4, I really don’t see him as an OLB. He can be a good 4-3 DT or DE (preferrably DE) and a 3-4 DE, but I don’t see him as a 3-4 OLB.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
I think Melvin Ingram could transition to 3-4 OLB
He would be a beast on the opposite side of Wake.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
I do like Ingram with and a few other LBs.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Read my sig.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
In that case, I would love Coples.
We’d need a DE if we went to a 4-3, but I personally hope we stay with Nolan and the 3-4.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
I think Matt Moore would look alot better with an elite receiving corp and a RT not named Colombo.
I do like Hartline though. Just not as a 2nd option.
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
I dont know why people complain about our WR´s....
They may not be ELITE but please tell me how may teams besides the Packers have an ELITE receiving group??? I dont think that is going to win superbows…. We have a lot of more needs than WR
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Let's look at some of the playoff teams, shall we?
You have a Julio Jones/Roddy White pairing in Atlanta.
Nicks/Cruz in New York(Jersey).
Don’t get me started on Green Bay and New Orleans.
Pittsburgh has Wallace and Antonio Brown.
The Ravens have Boldin and Torrey Smith had some huge games this year when they needed him (do you think Hartline will ever have a 200 yard game?).
New England has Welker and elite pass-catching TEs plus Deion Branch.
Cincinnatti is AJ Green and Jerome Cirque-de-Solei Simpson.
Detroit has one WR and Denver has one WR… and Denver doesn’t score any points!! The majority of playoff teams have a better 2nd receiver than Hartline. Sorry buddy, I like Hartline too, but it’s about time to upgrade.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
LMAO
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
That was the most amazing thing I have ever seen on a football field.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Yes it was
My jaw hit the floor when I saw that, it has to be the #1 highlight of all time. I have seen some amazing things (like Reggie Bush over the Girbil) but to do that and still land on his feet in bounds is nothing short of incredible.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
The Rams greatest show on turf found the formula of success in today's
NFL. We are 1 elite rcvr and a surgeon(qb) away from getting there. Bush, Marshall,Clay, and Bess are the corp to build on.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
I agree with you here, completely.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Agree
Food for thought- what about going after Desean Jackson? That way we save our draft picks. Granted, he should have been more professional, but I agree with him that the Eagles kind of bitch-slapped him by paying all those free agents and not paying him.
miamimike71 - January 5, 2012 via mobile
Because FS and possibly OG are bigger needs in FA.
Imagine Michael Griffin and Carl Nicks coming in! Ross said he wants to splash the cash…
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
Yes to both!
Have been saying this for a while.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
Did we not think Wes Welker was not good enough either?
We traded him to the Patriots. I hope we don’t make the same mistake with Hartline. He reminds me of Welker.
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
That's part of the problem, Bess & Hartline are both
more slot WR than #2 WR.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
The Pats had already signed Welker as an RFA with a poison pill.
Miami was limited with their options and opted to trade Welker for an additional pick on top of the 2nd rounder owed to them.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
LOL Its funny to me that we are STILL explaining that to people.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
Because everytime someone from Miami goes somewhere else and is successful...
It’ll be blamed on ineptitude in our front office.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Yeah but there is no point to bringing up what a FO that is very long gone did.
Why must fans so live in the past? Get over it and look forward already.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
I agree.
I never did get those that said “This front office is a joke. Look at the draft in the past decade.”
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
That comment is total ignorance.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
Elite Rcvrs and TE's are needed today to win big games
Brady, Manning, Brees, Eli, Rodgers, Stafford, Rivers, and Romo all have elite weapons.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
Dont get me wrong....
We could obviously use some better WR´s but I still dont think its our bigger need or the reason we are not a playoff team…. and by the way I dont consider Boldin/Smith, Green/Simpson, I dont even consider Julio ELITE just yet…. The Giants have Nicks/Cruz NOW but before they had Smith and Manningham who did good too….. What I am trying to say here is that all of these guys you mention have something in common THEY HAVE A QB!!!! Who was Welker before going to NE?? Good but not great like he is now…..
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Clyde Gates still has potential....
Mike Wallace didnt do anything his first year in the league and not quite sure how good he was during his second… Maybe he was but his first year he didnt do anything, he needed time to grow and develop and so does Gates…. The difference is Wallace had a QB that could throw the deep ball…. The majority of the times Gates was WIDE OPEN but our QB´s under threw him….
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Wallace had over 700 yards receiving and 6 TDs as a rookie.
Not outstanding numbers, but he showed himself as a terrific deep ball option. In his 2nd year, he had over 1,200 yards and 10 TDs.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Again.... He had a QB who could throw down the field!! =)
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Matt Moore can throw the ball downfield...
in fact, that’s what he has shown he is best at. I’m not saying gates won’t develop, but why wait 2 more years to find out? Draft Blackmon if he is there, and cut Wallace or Moore. Then we can keep Gates on kick returns if Blackmon plays well.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Adding Blackmon and cutting Moore is instant upgrade.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
Why in the hell would you cut the guy who has played the best QB
here since Marino (except POSSIBLY Feidler)? Especially considering he hasn’t hit his ceiling in less than 2 years worth of intermittent starting.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
I think he meant Marlon Moore!!!
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Not Matt Moore
Am I right fin4three5yrs??
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Yes Marlon Moore.
Matt stays 4ever.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
<3
joel311 - January 5, 2012
LMAO wow that's my bad.
I got confused jumping between conversations. I even said cut Marlon Moore in the previous post. Sorry guys XD
joel311 - January 5, 2012
No Biggy
I know we are in the middle of like 3 different conversations… Plus I´m at work…. Talk about multitasking LOL
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Slow down before you hurt yourself!
lol
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
LOL
I had to!!! To much work and unfortunately the Dolphins dont pay my bills even though I wish they did….
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Didn't get this fair before I replied
Act like your didn’t see previous reply
NawlinsPhinFan - January 5, 2012
This is part of your comment
NawlinsPhinFan - January 5, 2012
Blackmon is great....
But very different than Gates…. Moore can throw the deep ball that I know but for some reason we just didnt throw it down the field to Gates to often…
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
That's on Gates!!!
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Could be.... Again needs time to develop....
We cant give up on a guy after one year!!
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
yeah, but pitt played wallace all season.
gates got on the field only a handful of times.
Phinphinatic - January 5, 2012
True but.....
Besides Hines Ward what other WR did the Steelers have back then? I really dont remember any if so let me know!! We have some solid Wr´s not GREAT but solid
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
For sure but he didn't do nearly as much as I hoped
Mind you, even when he was on the field, we rarely if ever threw to him. He was on the field for 155 snaps, 67 passing plays and 88 running plays. He was targeted 12 times with 2 catches for 19 total yards(and he was in on 1 of those running plays for 4 yards).
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
IMO, Hartline is a slot rcvr and speed on the outside that puts fear into a secondary
can only make a qb better.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
No Jeffery please
I don’t like him and besides, he should be available at 8 or 9 anyways. He’s a big receiver, but he doesn’t get much separation and I don’t think he goes well with Marshall.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
+1
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
Not a bad way to think if we can not get RGIII / I think Lck is simply out of the question....
not sold on Jones….don’t forgett Matt Flynn which we may pick-up before the draft then everything changes.
First and for most I root for RGIII…second is Flynn! (these two could be immediate starters this year or be the best competition for Moore)!!
MassFinFan65 - January 5, 2012
I heard on ESPN radio some analyst saying it was stupid to get rid of the Polians
because they had built “such a great team”. LMAO. The only star on that team is Peyton Manning, his injury clearly showed the ineptitude of their front office.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
I wouldnt say the only star....
They do have plenty of good players… Very good players…. Wayne, Clark, Freeney, Mathis…. Its just that they al quit when Payton went down
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Did they quit,
or are Wayne and Freeney too old now? I think it’s the latter. Clark seemed elite, but he didn’t do jack without Peyton (Just like Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie). An elite TE still should put up at least DECENT numbers without an elite QB. It is clear to me that Peyton made that team what it is. He even helped the defense out with his sustained drives, keeping them fresh and allowing them to perform better.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
I totally agree Payton made them all better....
But so does any other ELITE QB…. They make the ones arround them better….. however that doesnt mean he was the only good player on the team…
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Clark has been injured the last 2 years (playing 17 games)
and Garcon had 70 catches for 950 or so yards with 6 TD, not bad considering who had been throwing to them.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
Although he may not have done well
there was more than Manning. Mathis and Freeney were one of the top DE in the game for many years (they are still very good), Dallas Clark was an outstanding pass-catching TE (might be able to bounce back but is getting up there in age) and Reggie Wayne was a great WR. Pierre Garcon also looks like he may turn out to be a great 6th round pick, he had 70 catches for just under a 1000 yards with great QB’s like Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky throwing him the ball.
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
Agree.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
Think about how many times you used the word "Was"
and now tell me that a good front office doesn’t have young talent waiting in the wings. Thank you for helping my point.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
With all those guys still playing the most snaps
You’ll never know until they are gone how good their replacements can be. Freeney,Mathis and Wayne were still playing at Pro Bowl levels this year (they are starting to show their age though).
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
Only Freeney made the Pro Bowl.
Maybe I’m wrong about them getting old, but I’m definitely right about the lack of any new impact players in the last 5 years. The Indy roster is bare bones.
Maybe, just maybe, you can attribute the lack of talent to the lack of development by an inneffectual head coach. I don’t really buy it though.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
It's not like many on a 2-14 team are going to make the Pro Bowl
Mathis and Freeney had 8.5 & 9.5 sacks respectively. Anyways, enough about Indy……
Agent J 78 - January 5, 2012
I'd put Bethea as a major impact within the past 5 years.
Just had to throw him in there. If you look at the past 5 drafts as well, they have focused on less sexier positions too like the OL and DL. And even then, one was a DE for the future after Freeney/Mathis. Donald Brown and Anthony Gonzalez, both busts, are the only “sexy” positions they even tried to go with. I do think they did pretty well with players of value like Collie, Session, Tamme, Garcon, Angerer, and others.
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Don't think 1 man wins superbowls and it showed in both when Manning reached them
Defense and an effective running game netted their 1st superbowl win and an ineffective running game that took the luster off of Indy’s passing offense resulted in a loss the 2nd time around against NO.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
How long ago was that?
When is the last time Indy drafted a player that really wowed you? Maybe their backup TE? That’s about it in the last 4 or 5 years. That is purely unacceptable.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Joel, how many times in the last 10 years have Indy had a top 20 pick?
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
So what?
How many times in the last 10 years has New England had their own pick in the Top 20? A good general manager on a winning team knows to trade for future picks if you want a high pick.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Unfortunately guys like the coach in NE come once in a lifetime...
He is one of a kind!!!! and you cant expect others to be the same….. I wish we had one in Miami =P
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
I disagree.
You SHOULD expect others to be similar. You can’t expect them to be able to evaluate late round talent like Billy (he likes Gladiator movies), but it is quite easy to copy his model for accumulating draft picks. It’s out there. It’s in plain sight, and when a GM ignores it and allows his team to backslide, he deserves to boot.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
So if the Pats were to lose Brady, do you think they end up in the playoffs?
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
11-5 with Cassel.
They were winning with Bledsoe before Brady. So, yeah.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
That's not even a close comparison.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
They didnt make it to the playoffs with Cassel who cares about the record??
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Umm,
they didn’t make the playoffs because we lucked into the easiest schedule in the league. And 9 years out of 10, 11-5 makes the playoffs. You should care about that record.
11-5 makes the playoffs in both conferences this year. Hell, 10-6 does.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
You are what you are and that year they werent a playoff team...
Coulda/woulda/shoulda it dont matter…..
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
Wow, dude.
We would kill for an 11-5 record.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Not if we dont make the playoffs!!!
I dont care if we win 13 games man if we dont make the playoffs who cares?? I know we are thirsty for wins in Miami but I dont care if we go 8-8 but make the playoffs… Its all about having a shot at a SB and the record is good but if at the end you dont have a shot then who cares??
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
That's the thing,
if your team is consistently getting 11 wins… you are going to consistently make the playoffs. Sure, there might be one year where there’s a fluke and you don’t make it, but then you make it 9 other years…
joel311 - January 5, 2012
No such thing as an easy schedule
This year the Pats have beaten no one with a winning record but yet they ended up with the best record in the AFC so do that mean they are not playoff worthy. BTW we went 10-6 and missed the playoffs also.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
Yes, we did.
But this year 10-6 makes it.
And there’s no such thing as an easy schedule? That’s ludicrous.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
We played the same schedule as the Patcheats
Except for 2 teams. We played the Texans(a team we have yet to beat) and the Ravens and they played the Colts and the Stealers. We both lost the games to these 2 games.Both teams lost to the Jest,we also have spilt with each other. The difference was we lost to the Cards(the Superbowl runner up) and they lost to the Chargers A conference rival.
NawlinsPhinFan - January 5, 2012
I agree but....
Thats just not the way real life goes…. There are just some people who have “IT” and no matter how hard you try to copy them you just dont have it like they do…. There are just some people that are better than the rest
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
You people cannot look at the state of the Indy roster and truly believe
that Bill and Chris Polian should have stayed. That would be insanity.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
2 SUPERBOWLS in 5 years and constant playoff contenders
I’ll take that from a GM anyday. BTW, Harrison, Manning, Saturday, james, Sanders, Freeney, Wayne, Clark, and Mathis are all pro status players.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
Notice how all those players you listed were playing in those SuperBowls.
Where are the new probowl players?
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Can't tell me Wayne, Garcon, Clark, Freeney, Bethea, and Mathis are not good players.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
EXACTLY!!!!
Are they better with Manning SURE… but they are still GOOD!!
DolfanPTY - January 5, 2012
They are all aging players.
They need youth to continue to win.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
Besides Garcon.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
All I know is,
if my team goes 2-14 because of one injury, and I’m the owner, I clean house.
joel311 - January 5, 2012
I really don't like Landy Jones
and I would prefer if we picked Reiff. We need Oline help (Colombo replacement) and Landry Jones was underwhelming without his #1 receiver. He didn’t throw a TD pass for the last 4 games of the season, until garbage time against Iowa in the Insight bowl. Also, this is a deep QB draft. Kellen Moore, Dan Persa, Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles, etc are all capable QBs and can be drafted in the later rounds. Just pick up one in round 2-6 and another Rookie FA, and have them compete with Moore. Even if none of them turn up good, Moore has shown he is reasonably capable, at worst to play an Alex Smith like role. He also, if I recall correctly, is a Free Agent next year, and there are plenty of good QBs in that draft too (Barkley, Tyler Wilson, James Vandenburg, etc, and maybe even Casey Pachall and Tajh Boyd). Landry Jones is a bust.
ck4 - January 5, 2012
Gotta wait until the combine to truly gauge what qb is for real and which is not.
Not liking the Jones pick at this point, but Marino came into the draft similar to what Jones is now experiencing, so anything is possible.
fin4three5yrs - January 5, 2012
Most definitely.
The senior bowl and the combine will change things completely. As of right now, I am of the opinion that Landry Jones is a reach if picked in the top 20.
mjams - January 5, 2012 via mobile
I agree
BlaqDolfin - January 5, 2012
I liked Jones at the beginning of the year. I still like him now.
I think Jones has everything that you want in a classic pocket passer. He has a rocket arm, can make all the throws, he has good size, and his accuracy is very good. I wish he were a little more mobile though.
For those comparing him to Henne, please check yourself. Jones has a ton more upside than Henne.
ct1361 - January 5, 2012
I would have LOVED this in September.
Now, im not crazy about it but i’d still rather we take a shot at Jones than draft an OL.
If we do go with Landry make sure to keep all the tools for him (maybe even add a speedy WR or passcatching TE) but if he doesn’t work out and show anything in first two years don’t keep him afloat like we did with Henne…we draft a QB until we truly believe he is our franchise guy.
BSerious72 - January 5, 2012
Agree
I agree and my suggestion for a speedy WR is to target Desean Jackson. He could address our need for speed opposite Marshall and instant special teams upgrade. It also saves us a draft pick. Granted he could have been more professional, but the Eagles did bitch-slap him by paying all those FA’s and not paying him.
miamimike71 - January 5, 2012
I see where you are coming from BSerious72.
I loved him in Sept too, because of his superior arm, I even liked him more than Luck at that time. But my opinion of him hasn’t changed at all. I like Luck more now, but everything that I liked in Jones in Sept is still there.
I think that we look for ways to tear down players with high expectations, especially QB’s. The same thing happened with Locker last year, potentially missing the entire first round, yet he was still my favorite QB in that draft class based on what he did the year before.
I don’t like to downgrade a player from one year to the next in college based on statistics. They can only go up in my eyes. Luck happened to move up higher than Jones this year, but I would still love to have Jones in a Dolphins uniform next year.
ct1361 - January 5, 2012
well it aint happening...
possibly in 2013 lol
BSerious72 - January 5, 2012
i like weeden more than landry jones
and i am praying that somehow justin blackmon falls to 9 and miami snags him. It would make this receiving corps deadly for years to come
Dolphinsfan23 - January 5, 2012
I liked Weeden
until I found out he’s 28.
Blue or CONKZILLA - January 5, 2012
Here's a wild thought:
Holmgren mentioned he still like Mccoy’s potential to be a franchise QB but wants to bring in competition for him (doesn’t sound like he would necessarily draft a QB with their 1st pick, sounds like he wants to accumulate picks….we should trade up to their spot and GET RGIII!
What if they also wanted Moore as part of the process????
MassFinFan65 - January 5, 2012
Tannehill?
BahamaDolfan - January 5, 2012
A lot of GM's say a lot of things this time of year.
texascowpunk - January 5, 2012
Very True....it is the season of miss-information!
MassFinFan65 - January 5, 2012
Cousins
In my opinion, if we don’t trade up to get a QB and miss on all 3 (Luck,RGIII, or Jones), then I would draft the best player available hopefully at RT or FS. And I would draft Cousins in the 2nd or 3rd round. I think he will be a talented NFL QB based on my observations of him.
miamimike71 - January 5, 2012
I'll roll the dice on Jones. It's about time we took a risk
Rytackle - January 5, 2012
I say Matt Flynn and draft a Tackle should be the play.
Sign Matt Flynn and draft a Tackle to protect. Then go about our business to get a TE a CB that can cover the slot cause Will Allen aint that guy, a guard, a speedy WR gamebreaker, DE that can rush the passer. This talk of selling the house for one guy is just crazy talk and I do not see it happening.
Whippets2 - January 5, 2012
Draft a punter... DC$ is no good.
And a NT. Soliai is gone….
Alpha6 - January 5, 2012
First, move DC$ to punter, and then cut him!
I like where you are going with this :P
joel311 - January 5, 2012
You and your ass-backwards thinking...
No wonder you were hired by OSI!
Finhead83 - January 5, 2012
Jandry Jone has announced he's going back to school according to Armando and others
I think the Phins should try and get Tannehill or Weeden in the second, and the best right sided pass rusher according to the system they will play next year in the first
Irishphan - January 5, 2012
Since Jones is cool with going back to school and having his draft stock murdered by Tebow 2.0
I’ve changed the Dolphins’ pick in this mock draft. Enjoy.
kmb8488 - January 5, 2012
Hopefully he comes out a more polished passer, and probably available at a much lower draft spot next year.
Irishphan - January 5, 2012
If we get the best OLB, RT and TE
in rounds 1-3… i might be a bit disappointed in missing out on a QB, but those our next 3 biggest needs.
Not crazy about OLB with pick 9, but I admit, it makes sense.
BSerious72 - January 5, 2012
Would it matter to you?
If we didn’t draft the OLB with the 9th pick,but still got OLB,RT and TE in rounds 1-3.
NawlinsPhinFan - January 5, 2012
I don't disagree with the pick
We need more playmakers on D. However, preventing sacks proved to be the one stat that translated to winning games. Go for Reiff and hope Weeden falls to us in 2nd. Or even better, trade down to a late 1st round pick for another 2nd rounder. FS is definitely another position that should be addressed in the 2nd round. If we could get RT in 1st and QB + FS in 2nd round…that would be the cats pajamas!
Drumzan - January 5, 2012
lol. Cats pajamas. I love that phrase
kmb8488 - January 6, 2012
we could use another passrusher
Patssuck456 - January 7, 2012
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