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5 months ago: MIAMI GARDENS, FL - JANUARY 01: Quarterback Matt Moore #8 of the Miami Dolphins throws against the New York Jets at Sun Life Stadium on January 1, 2012 in Miami Gardens, Florida. (Photo by Marc Serota/Getty Images)
For the Miami Dolphins, the 2011 season came to a close like too many seasons before. They were watching the playoffs instead of participating in them. While fans have debated over the many causes of this loathsome fact, one particular segment of that discussion always comes to the forefront: the quarterback position. You would have a difficult time finding a Dolphins fan that doesn't have a opinion on how that position was played and, more importantly, by whom.
Since Dan Marino's retirement, the quarterback position has been played by an underwhelming collection of has-been or never-was players. The 2011 season was no different as the team stumbled to a 0-7 start due in part to questionable quarterback play. But then something happened. In week 8 against the Chiefs, the Dolphins started winning. This was due in part to the inspired play of backup quarterback Matt Moore. After three losses in three starts, Moore turned things around winning six of the next nine games. During that stretch, Moore made some big time plays highlighted by a perfectly thrown deep pass to Marshall against Buffalo for a TD; or a TD pass to Charles Clay thrown into a tight window while being chased by two Jet defenders. He played well enough that some thought he could finally be the long awaited answer at quarterback for the Dolphins. However, he also made plenty of mistakes like holding onto the ball too long and taking a sack, or lack of accuracy on underneath routes. His play simultaneously inspired hope yet fostered doubt. Oddly enough though, this wasn't the first time in Moore's career that a scenario like this has played out.

In 2009, Matt Moore was called into starting duty for Carolina after Jake Delhomme was placed on injured reserve. In five games as a starter, Moore went 4-1. Carolina had hope going into the 2010 season that Moore could lead the team into the future. It had happened before with them as Jake Delhomme took over for Rodney Peete early into the 2003 season. Delhomme had gone from undrafted free agent to Super Bowl quarterback that season and it seemed like Moore might be in line for a similar rise. Carolina poached Moore off of the Dallas Cowboys practice squad and now he had earned a starting spot. However that didn't last long as the 2010 season was a disaster for the Panthers, finishing 2-14. John Fox was a lame-duck head coach and it seemed as if he and his staff had checked out on the season before it ever began. Moore began the season struggling to win and was eventually benched for rookie Jimmy Clausen. Moore regained the starting spot, only to get put on injured reserve. Moore's horrible season coupled with Carolina's draft selection of Cam Newton meant Moore's time in Carolina had come to an end.
We know the rest of the story as Moore found his way into the starting lineup for the Dolphins. Fans have mixed opinions regarding Moore. Some think he can be the future franchise quarterback. Some think his play was just a fluke. Others aren't really sure what to think. So a few weeks ago, I decided to ask the one group of fans that had experienced this before. I made a fanpost on Cat Scratch Reader, the SB Nation blog for the Carolina Panther, asking the fans what they thought of Matt Moore, his potential, and exactly what happened in 2010 for their team.
There was a mixed review amongst the fans, but most comments fell along the lines of Moore being a good backup and nothing more. They discussed his inconsistency and his lack of ability to step up in big games. But there were some who said that Moore never got a great shot in Carolina and deserves a chance to be a starter. The biggest thing I took away from their responses was that Matt Moore caused a similar rift with their fans as well as ours. No one could agree on one particular stance.
So what exactly is the point of this post? It was to let you see that another fan base has gone through the same dilemma we have about Matt Moore. Of course, this discussion is probably moot given the rumors or Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn coming to Miami. But given how much we talk about quarterbacks, Moore's name will continue to pop up in the debates. But now you have some reference material from a group of fans that have been through this before. Check out the link to get a full rundown of their thoughts on Moore.
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Here's a thought about Moore going forward:
Maybe having Philbin as his coach will make Moore a better QB?
See Alex Smith / Harbaugh.
mikem1224 - January 24, 2012
Not going to be
A popular opinion, but the same argument could be made for Chad Henne. If Flynn is the real deal then I’m sure we’ll be the favorites to land him. Not wild about a 2-3 year rental of Manning. Sparano was horrible for Henne so if FA doesn’t bring is a QB & we can’t move up in draft, I’d be fine w signing Henne bc he should be cheap enough at least & draft a 2nd tier QB to develop.
mophins - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Not wild about a 2-3 year rental of Manning.
If Peyton comes here we are SB contenders for that 2-3 years, I’ll take it.
After YEARS in the NFL Moor has proven to be what he is, a great backup. There is no more debating. He is what he is.
Neo - January 24, 2012
My biggest concern
With picking up Manning is that we won’t fix the long term situation. If he’s healthy and can play like the Manning we all know then obviously you’d have to be a fool to not take him. Hopfully, if he even comes available, our team doctors evaluate him more accurately then Brees.!
mophins - January 24, 2012 via mobile
I agree
But dang, we’d be crazy not to make ourselves instant SB contenders.
Neo - January 24, 2012
Absolutely agree
IF he’s healthy. Reports vary widely on future injury risk, but if he’s right…he’s great. They darn well better get somebody behind him to plan for when he’s done though.
mophins - January 24, 2012 via mobile
Aw shucks, Neo, why waste you breath?
These boards are littered with guys who swear Moore is THE answer – you can’t reason with them.
Dolfan Lee - January 24, 2012
I like the Manning "rental"
Because next year we can draft a QB from a deeper class than this year. With Barkley going back and Jones returning to college, and isn’t Denard Robinson returning, that would make a better situation for us next year to select a QB.
tightypatwhitey - January 25, 2012
I totally agree
of course I believe it has been proven that a good OC with a good scheme and a consistent OL is a franchise QB maker.The majority of QB’s do very well when they ‘consistently’ have time to go through their progressions in an aggressive scheme.
haildanhenningnow - January 24, 2012
Alex Smith really has not improved THAT much (I am from the bay area so I watch alot of Niners games)
It was mainly that Harbaugh implemented a better system that suited Smith much much more. They played to all of his strengths, that way his weaknesses would no longer be as relevent
I don’t think Moore can be vastly improved, but he is a good temporary QB
insainsiren - January 24, 2012
He's got a lot more confidence
and Harbaugh’s endorsement over the last season. As a result he played better football. He wasn’t the reason that their team was losing games. He helped get his team to the championship game and he made a couple real nice touchdown throws in a meaningful game to accomplish that.
Granted, I dont watch a lot of Niners games…but to me, the difference is pretty huge.
mikem1224 - January 24, 2012
no morre mediocrity
i did like at times how morre played and i dont mind if hes on our roster but if we do not get a big name qb this offseason and we start the year with morre ill be pissed
Mr.Phintastic - January 24, 2012
Alex Smith was a No. 1 draft pick.
Matt Moore was an undrafted free agent.
One of these guys has more upside than the other.
PNSter - January 25, 2012
I don't necessarily agree with that
I think Moore has just as much upside as Smith. Does Alex Smith have more upside than Tom Brady because he was a 6th round pick? Draft placement shouldn’t be used to discuss upside after players have been in the NFL for years. Use what you see on the field.
Finhead83 - January 25, 2012
It isn't that where they are picked defines what they will become.
The point is that where someone is drafted (or not drafted) is a good indicator of how much potential the NFL in general saw in them coming out of college. It’s an easy way to order players by ceiling. Even the Ryan Leafs and Jamarcus Russells of the world have very high ceilings.
Alex Smith’s ceiling is much higher then Matt Moore’s I’d argue that Moore is already at his ceiling. Smith probably is too, but in a suitable system, we can see that he’s capable of playing at a very high level. Moore’s low ceiling is probably not nearly so dependent on the system he plays in.
Tom Brady of course is an exception to every rule, and has no business being included in a discussion of draft slotting and ability.
PNSter - January 25, 2012
It's not just about ceilings
Everyone knew Aaron Rodgers had a much higher ceiling than Alex Smith. Likewise, some would argue RG3 has a higher ceiling than Andrew Luck. Ceiling is a part of what teams consider in the draft process, but isn’t the only factor. Moore has shown ability in Carolina and Miami. Some teams may like him as an option for a backup or to push a QB. As far as Smith, people think he did very well in the system, but many don’t see him as a top QB. That would be why reports would show the 49ers are only so far offering Smith a 2-year deal worth about $10 million. I don’t think the abilities of Smith and Moore are far apart at all.
Finhead83 - January 25, 2012
I would agree 100%
Moore and Smith seem very close to me at this point. Although Smith finally found success within this new system, it hadn’t been because he stepped up his game to a new level. Similarly, Moore has potential, but needs a system designed to helped him reach it (just as smith needed). Neither really strikes me as THAT QB to take over in a difficult game and be the highlight.
PhinNomenol! - January 26, 2012 via Android app
that's entirely possible
but I still want a QB I can say is the QB of the future. Would love to start Moore and have someone like RGIII sit a year
Frank Lee - January 26, 2012
You and me both!
PhinNomenol! - January 26, 2012 via Android app
Personal Opinion...
Matt Moore like most backup Quarterbacks… do well until the league figures out their weaknesses… once the weaknesses are exploited… its up to the players and the coaches of the respected player to adjust… and so far Matt Moore hasnt really been given the opportunity to gain a rapport… so we dont really know if hes a legitimate contender as of yet.. I personally still would like to keep Moore as a backup… and trade up in the draft (if the Rams are willing… and take RGIII…. but thats just my wishful thinking… or maybe even nab the injured Peyton Manning as a signal caller and hope that his injuries are in the past.. but you never know. I would rather have an experienced quarterback of allow a stud rookie to take over and see where it takes us… the biggest QB mistake we made outside of forcing Marino to retire… was not signing Drew Brees when he wanted to come play for us.
Anyways, I personally would love to see RGIII in a phins uniform and see what Philbin can do with him… seeing that he is an offensive minded coach.
Only time will tell.
jdelsandro - January 24, 2012
Manning, Moore etc
I read an article half way through the season that indicated Manning would be back in Indy unless he was physically unable to play. I know teams do not always tell the truth about stuff like this but it’s MHO Indy would like to have Luck as back up to Manning should he play and bring him along for a year or two – the best case for a young QB out of college I think we could all agree. Personally I would not care to have Manning come to Miami for a year or two – seems to me we should be developing the future QB for Miami next year, be in Flynn or a rookie but I do see a vast improvement in Matt Moore and I’m not convinced MM is a back up QB – there are too many variables in being a good to great QB, OL, system, coaching, etc. I believe MM deserves to compete with whom ever they pick as their next QB – Philbin seems to be a great coach with QB so maybe he can help MM polish his game – bottom line IMO MM has been given the opportunity and taken advantage of it. Only time will tell.
incognito1948 - January 24, 2012
The 'Phins need what they've needed since 2000: a stud QB.
Matt Moore does not fill the bill.
If they can’t trade up to draft one in April, it will be “Wait ’til next year!” again.
FreedomRide - January 24, 2012
Matt Moore was a decent QB, but not a Franchise QB
Trade UP will be hard this draft more if Browns really want to trade up for RGIII
I don’t like the idea to take Manning
I like a lot the idea to take Flynn
If can’t get RGIII or Flynn can wait one more year with Moore in the controls
David Leal - January 24, 2012
If can’t get RGIII or Flynn can wait one more year with Moore in the controls
Why waste another year of talent (and my life) with Moore at the controls, when we could not only be strong contenders for the playoffs, but the SB with Manning?
Neo - January 24, 2012
If Manning go out of the Colts
he will gone want big money
and that means to lose key players in other to make room cap for manning contract
I don’t like that… with Moore and normal preseason the Playoffs was very possible, and we don’t know… If all other pieces work well we can be in the fight for conference title…
David Leal - January 24, 2012
and that means to lose key players in other to make room cap for manning contract
You do understand Peyton has took that sorry @ss Colts team that looked like a high school team this year without him to double digit wins for the past decade don’t you?
Yea, the Panthers thought that too, when they gave him a nice contract and year later he was gone. Look at his numbers this year man. They aren’t great. Lets not start the Chad Pennington syndrome again. We won games by Defense and ST.
If Manning wants big money to make us instant contenders, GIVE HIM HIS D@MN MONEY. If it was any other QB, I wouldn’t pay him, but this isn’t just your “any QB”, This is Peyton Manning.
Neo - January 24, 2012
yea, I know...
But Manning was in the descendant curve… more with a neck interventions and 1 year with out playing…
He have the chemistry with his receivers because he spend a lot time out of the seasons training with them… or you forget the first thing he do when arrive to colts was to train with them?
and take him around 3 years to perfectionist this chemistry…
If you can’t bring Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne with him… I don’t think he cold have the same kind of success
and all can saw he can’t take the same kind of chemistry with all his new receivers…
with Collie was with the most chemistry has, but with Gonzalez and Garcon he has a lot trouble to make chemistry
David Leal - January 24, 2012
If you can’t bring Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne with him… I don’t think he cold have the same kind of success
Peyton Manning MADE those 2. You saw what they did without him. He would make all our WRs better. As far as Chemistry he can have some offseason and the preseason
Neo - January 24, 2012
Call intuition I have a bad feeling about Manning
I know he was maybe the greatest QB was ever played this game
but I fell some kind of bad karma around him…
If he land in Florida, I will be happy for that… and pray a lot!!!
David Leal - January 24, 2012
Meybe we can get Reggie Wayne too
he was FA, but maybe the colts Tag him
David Leal - January 24, 2012
Wayne is a Cane and like him
I serious doubt the Colts will tag him due to his age and his numbers last year. I don’t see us getting him unless Manning says too.
Now don’t get me wrong with this discussion of manning. I don’t think we are gonna get him. I think we are getting Flynn (if Philbin believes in him). If we are gonna spend money on a QB even though there are no guarantees, there is no surer thing to spend money on a big (unproven) FA QB than to listen to your HC who just happened to be his OC since he has come into the league.
It just makes sense.
Neo - January 24, 2012
i wish
folks would get of the rg3 thing. do any of us REALLY think he is the next big thing at qb? or andrew luck for that matter? tom brady wasn’t pick til the 6th round. all im sayin is use the first round pick to upgrade at lb or ol.
yappy007 - January 24, 2012
folks would get of the rg3 thing. do any of us REALLY think he is the next big thing at qb? or andrew luck for that matter?
That kind of thinking has gotten us in to this situation. Always being not sure and never having the ball to take a chance to make our team great for years.
And who is to say this LB or OL is gonna be the next big thing. Even if he was he wouldn’t help this team nearly as much if we would pick a franchise QB. If we are gonna swing its about hi time we swing for the fences instead of just trying to get on base.
Neo - January 24, 2012
Well said Neo!!
Aleta - January 24, 2012
The Tom Brady's was the excepcion of the rule
with a lot of luck, research and development a low profile QB could become a star.
In the case of Brady he was followed since high school, was a rare gem unnoticed for almost all college systems and pro staffs, the other case I remember was Miles Austin, he was followed by Dallas staff since he was in high school
but this guys was the exception, no the rule.
David Leal - January 24, 2012
Maybe Tannehill could have this kind of develop
But only if Sherman take and develop him… he knows him since high school, he scout him, and couched him in college
David Leal - January 24, 2012
That's a good point.
But Tannehill’s not exactly flying under the radar. He’ll be the third QB taken, I’m sure. But I’d be totally satisfied if Miami was the one that picked him.
PNSter - January 25, 2012
I'm having a hard time with the language spoken here... lol
Alpha6 - January 24, 2012
"It was to let you see that another fan base has gone through the same dilemma we have about Matt Moore."
Yeah, and the team that other fan base cheered for dumped him. Some of the games the Dolphins won this year were IN SPITE of Moore’s play, not because of it. He’s a decent back up, but I think his “ceiling” is pretty low.
Dolfan Lee - January 24, 2012
A decent backup?
He had the 12th best QB rating in the league. Can we get over the back up talk? The guy is not an elite QB, but calling the guy a back up and nothing more is just silly. He earned a chance to start for someone, somewhere.
Dakota Phan - January 24, 2012
The problem with MM is that..
he threw some deep ball(something that everyone here wanted) and that he make(most of the time) the offense looks sharpe. He makes us beleive that we could scored at will. We saw all the weapons been used. At the end, he is just a backup QB. Imagine what could we do with a caliber QB!!!
Aleta - January 24, 2012
Very nice read Duke!! Rec'd
21Dave - January 24, 2012
More on Moore
I personally don’t think Mat is durable enough to be a permanant answer to QB. That being said, I certainly think he played well enough to be given a chance to compete for the starting position. Let’s keep him, go after a good college or free agent QB, and may the best QB win.
straighttalk - January 24, 2012
Another QB solution...
Draft a QB with every draft choice we have this year, and hope one works out!
That would give ESPN something to talk about!
sixmikey9 - January 24, 2012 via Android app
How about Weeden
Just spent my usual 2 hows a day reading about the Dolphins and looking rookies on YouTube, I cant help but like what I have seen from him all year and will not cost much.
2nd Gen Phin Fan - January 25, 2012
my two cents
I join the chorus of those thinking that M.Moore is nowhere near being a franchise QB. However, the Dolphins can do much worse than Moore in 2012, if they don’t pay attention.
Here´s what I would do: unless the Phins can secure the proven juggernaut (read: Peyton Manning) then there’s no point in bringing in another unproven FA, yes, even Flynn.
IN that case, it would be better to stick with Moore and try to get a young QB to develop via the draft, RGIII, if he’s attainable, otherwise trade down for Tannehill or Weeden.
Oh and: please say NO to Chad Henne. I usually refrain from criticism on players but that guy is useless. I even doubt he’ll find work as a backup, this season.
toscana jones - January 25, 2012
As I Texans fan, I'd prefer to see the 'Phins come to Houston next season with Matt Moore at QB
rather than Peyton or RG III. Peyton at 100% makes Miami a Division contender, and RG III might be a high-character version of Michael Vick.
Flynn’s supposedly the Next Big Thing FA QB, but I think he’s even riskier than RG III. Two good starts? That ain’t much to go on.
FreedomRide - January 25, 2012
we can debate all we want....
but RIGHT NOW Moore is the best QB on the roster.
Might Flynn be better? He might but he also might be Kevin Kolb and NOT better…. IDK and you don;t either.
RGIII would be fantastic – and trading up to high places in the first round seems more likely now that there is a Rookie Salary cap and better more predictable slotting of salary. BUT – When’s the last time we have seen the Dolphins make a bold move to move up in the draft ???…… I don’t remember it – i see them trading down much more frequently. So looking at history i will predict that this won;t happen even though i would like to see it.
Manning would be fantastic if healthy obviously – but that would be a game of chicken with INdianapolis that would probably start with them asking high then an excruciatingly long process to try to get a deal done.
so right now talking about it gives me a headache – just tell me when all the speculation is over and they name a starter.
scrappy the wildcat - January 25, 2012
Right now...
Moore and Devlin are the only QBs on the roster.
I agree with Flynn, but Miami can protect themselves with his contract. In my ramblings post, I explained how. Even Arizona is protect with Kolb’s contract.
Finhead83 - January 25, 2012
... but how does that play into getting one in the draft?
I read your post, good one. I’m not against a Flynn pick up, but I’m afraid it will cost the team getting one in round one. May not be a bad thing, but RGII in great hopes or Tannehill at the least would seem the better way to go… Idk.
Btw, how goes recovery Agent Gimp?
Alpha6 - January 25, 2012
Recovery is going decent I think...
I would still want RG3 over Flynn or Tannehill, but if we get Flynn, I’d still like Tannehill in the 2nd I think.
Finhead83 - January 25, 2012
he is a good backup
Patssuck456 - February 5, 2012
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