So it is finally decided. Joe Philbin will be the next head coach of the Miami Dolphins. Thus far the media seems to be positive but perhaps a little reserved on their take of the hire. There is of course the recent death of his son. Will he be able to pour himself in to a huge job after just experiencing such a terrible tragedy in his life? No one knows that and no one can say how that will affect him now or in the future. Will he be able to translate the sort of offense he engineered in Green Bay to the personnel in Miami? A lot of that depends on who the next QB is I suspect. Is he a leader, does he have that aura that makes men follow him? All word so far out of Green Bay says yes but like many things you do not know for sure until you see it in action. Lastly who are the coordinators and position coaches that he will surround himself with? Ultimately this may have the most impact on the team directly. Give me your thoughts below and do not forget to vote in our poll.
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I voted before I read the post wish I could take back my vote untill I see who our DC and OC are
by the way I voted superbowl
Phinsphana - January 21, 2012
hat do you think about Flacco is he top 10 or WHAT?
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
superbowl
dolfan52 - January 21, 2012
there should be something between the 1st and 2nd option
I think he will take us to the playoffs with a wildcard berth, butb we will be one and done this year. We will make a deep run the year after.
AnishB15 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I am happy with this choice.
Now we need to take a chance on flynn. We are not going to get luck or rg111.
dolfan52 - January 21, 2012
Jets will be fistpumping this year
dolfan52 - January 21, 2012
the Jest should be fistpunped EVERY year
Just sayin’
blackadder_650 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
and I need to proofread my derogatory remarks ....pffffft
blackadder_650 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Knucles will shuffle, and feet will be videoed.
Grimjack - January 21, 2012
by the way does anyone know when the press conference starts
Phinsphana - January 21, 2012
4 pm
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
Press Conf
I heard 3PM
finfanPA - January 21, 2012
I just wish he can stop for a few and right himself and family.
He deserves the time.
Tunaflipper - January 21, 2012
Elllllo Gov'na!!!
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
Ellllo me lady
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
wowwww
how’d you know???
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
lol.. I guessed
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
ahhh ok...I was worried you found my website.........wait....whaaaattt?
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
Wow. The choices seem tough at the first two.
I think Miami will have the success that the Jets (burbed a little puke) had 2 & 3 years ago. Playoff birth with wins but no Super Bowl. I do see Miami beating not only the Jets but the Patsies too, starting this year. Two Conference Championships in a row!!
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
You just gave me an idea......(it's OK to be scared right now)
What about Jet/Patsy/Bills hankies for those burp/puke moments? I love to blow my nose all over a Jets emblem!
Red Dog - January 21, 2012
Sounds good... lol
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
I think we will finish behind the Pats, but still clinch a wildcard birth
However, we will sweep the Jets and Bills. But split with the Pats.
I see a bright future with Philbin leading the way. We have the skill players on offense to succeed with the west coast offense. The defense will have a new DC, depending on who it is we may see mixed results. But I believe we’ll still be a top 10 defense.
As I said yesterday, I look forward to seeing Philbin make a dynasty with the Phins.
Kdog92 - January 21, 2012
I'm happy we choose a offensive oriented coach.
I say this because I think the times of “Offense wins games, defense wins championships” is going to the wayside. I know that some high powered offenses have already been eliminated, but, I’m looking at the Patriots. Last ranked defense? Who would have thought? Even GB and NO, who are out but I don’t think they were known for their D, they had better O’s then D’s. Just MHO
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
On the contrary....
Our offense played pretty well, especially once Moore got comfortable being the starter and Bush started running good. It was actually our defense that let us down the first half of the year. The first game against the Patriots started it all. And how many 4th quarter leads did we blow? A lot of them by double digits too. 15 against Denver, 10 against the Giants, huge lead starting the second half of the last Patriots game. Conclusion is that our defense was the problem. We do still need to prove red zone scoring though.
miamimike71 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
*improve
miamimike71 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I agree on RZ improvement.
I hope our HC looks at what other teams are doing for RZ scoring, and follows their formula. I can see your point on our defense. They did let some big plays through that lead to a loss in the end
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
Random thought/question
Anyone ever have monkey poo coffee?
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
cant say that i have... sounds interesting though
#1Heatfan - January 21, 2012
A guy at my office brought some in....I havent tried it, but supposedly its good
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
You know it's a mix, right?
lol
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
is it?...
so just monkey poo beans mixed in with regular beans?
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
lol... just poo and beans. Smell it...
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
lmao....ummmm
yea…sure…I’ll get right on that. Just be like smelling a monkey’s butt…lmao
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
Dude, seriously. Check this:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/kopiluwak.htm
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_poop_coffee
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
this guy is smelling it...lmao
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
Yes. Expensive poo beans... $300 a pound for that coffee.
Gotta hand it to them. Selling pooped coffee beans and people buy it….
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
Thats the footprint of a verylarge Racoon!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
idk if i would take that risk
drinking a nice big glass of orange juice right now. stick to the classics i always say…
#1Heatfan - January 21, 2012
Is that guy an enemy? lol
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
I don't know man.....
That situation “smells” a bit funny. Just go out and get a latte lol!
Red Dog - January 21, 2012
Well, oddly, yes.
Once, when I forgot to lock the monkey’s box….
Alpha6 - January 21, 2012
aka Bacon?
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
Oh and thats not lemon-aid that your drinking.
texascowpunk - January 21, 2012
Not booking my superbowl ticket, but i do think we will be a playoff team next year...
also, i read on NFL.com that Philbin is very open to keeping Bowles as the DC. Of course if Bowles getts a HC job, this doesnt matter. But if not I would be very happy with a staff of Philbin, Bowles, and Clements
#1Heatfan - January 21, 2012
Seems like my opinion is the popular belief.
I could see a playoff berth, maybe a win or 2.
phinnyhenne28 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I can see our team being better then this year...hahaha
but I’m gonna take the safe wait and see approach. I want to see what pieces are added before I start thinking playoffs
tuscanitunr x2 - January 21, 2012
Oh for sure.
It all depends on who we get as coordinators and quarterback but assuming we get what we want, or close to it, things are looking promising to me right out of the gate lol.
phinnyhenne28 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Where have you been??
texascowpunk - January 21, 2012
I'll explain as soon as i can hit up a CKC
phinnyhenne28 - January 22, 2012 via mobile
Or just message me bro.
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
Or subtracted...
PhinNomenol! - January 21, 2012 via Android app
I don't mind the choice
But I don’t want Flynn.
Drumzan - January 21, 2012
^this x1000
#1Heatfan - January 21, 2012
actually, i really like the choice, but the "^this x1000" was in reference to Flynn
#1Heatfan - January 21, 2012
I know
Flynn has 2 starts…2 starts! Both against terrible secondaries! They’re talking he might get Schaub money which is 6 years $48m. That’s crazy talk!
Drumzan - January 21, 2012
But he's more experienced than RG3!Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
Not a fan either
But if it’s him or nothing, I’d give him a shot to compete with Moore.
I just don’t want to pay the guy $70 million and hand the franchise to a 7th round pick with 2 starts. I’m sorry but that makes ZERO sense.
BSerious72 - January 21, 2012
I only like this hire if Tom Clements comes with him
mikethedolphinsfan - January 21, 2012
Love the hire! Superbowl baby! (eventually)
I think folks’ worries of his mindset following his tragedy, and the fact that he wasn’t calling plays are legitimate points to bring up, but all in all, I think we got gold here.
What I like the most is the fact that he was a part of what I consider the best run franchise in football, outside of the Patsies and their ridiculous accumulation of draft picks EVERY Fn YEAR. Green Bay builds through the draft, develops players, and although their D had an off year, they are a very balanced team.
We’ve had tragedy strike our family before, and although it was tough, we all kept ticking away. He has a large family (five other kids), so there is a supportive network there. Also, Sparano and his wife were always very complimentary of the support that the Dolphins community was of them and their family. (not the fans so much lol)
I personally LIKE that he wasn’t calling plays. His responsibilities seemed more in line with an HC, detailed oriented preparation and forging relationships with players. After Cammy, I feel coordinators and HCs are two different species, and a good coordinator (as we know) doesn’t translate to a good HC……
Alriiiiigggghhhhht Miami! Can’t wait to find out who other coaches are…..We better keep Bowles and Kacy Rodgers!
Red Dog - January 21, 2012
Philbin needs to hire an EXPERIENCED Coaching Staff and Coordinators
No first timers. No first time coordinators or position coaches. Or at least he needs to minimize how many he has on staff.
Coaching is critical in the NFL. I don’t want the Phins to go into next season with a First Time OC and DC. I think that would be a recipe for disaster, at least in year one until those guys get some experience. My worry is that if this does happen what will be the reaction of the fanbase and media?
If I was Philbin, I would look to experienced Coordinators. I would force Ross and Ireland to overpay for that experience. Del Rio as DC would be a good hire, IMO. Then find someone as OC who is familiar with your offense and who has called plays.
ct1361 - January 21, 2012
Doesn't Del Rio run the 4-3?
I would like to stay with the 3-4 personally. I don’t want to completely change the defense, they just just fine and have a lot of young pieces that will only get better.
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
CT what are your thoughts on keeping Bowles as the DC?
I like the idea of getting Clements as the OC. People need to look at Clements backround. It’s impressive if you ask me.
I’ve don’t understand the love affair with Bowles though. He was our secondary coach. Our secondary has NEVER lived up to their potential. Most of the players in our secondary have actually digressed. IMO. Bowles has developed no one. That is his main job. Plus why would you hire someone you are not familar with. Why should he have to hire someone who he was competing against for the HCing job. Hiring Bowles as the DC could undermine his authority as HC.
FinFanFromCA - January 21, 2012
I don't see how they can keep Bowles as DC.
Both Bowles and Philbin interviewed for the HC position. Now one of them, Bowles, is going to have to work for the other, Philbin? I don’t think it can work.
My worry is that this new staff will be completely new and have NO experience. The HC has NEVER been a HC before. The OC, Clements for example, has NEVER been an OC and has NEVER called plays before. The DC, Bowles for example, has NEVER been a DC and has NEVER called plays before. That is just TO MUCH INEXPERIENCE out of the top 3 coaching positions for me.
It could very well work. Get the right people in place and let them do their thing. I’m not going to bet against it. I’m just saying that a completely inexperienced staff gives me pause. Who are these guys going to ask questions too? Who is going to give them advice? I think an experience coach, can be a great sounding board for ideas and thoughts.
ct1361 - January 21, 2012
Great Hire
This was the best move we could have made. I hope he hires the Green Bay QB coach as our new OC and we keep Bowles as our DC. We can then feel comfortable going out and getting Flynn. If the head coach and new OC feel he is legit then lets go get him. Use the first round pick on the un-sexy pick at RT, sign the top FA at RG and we would have a dominating O-line that would make any QB look good. We might even have enough money to address WR or FS in free agency. I say WR because you know we are going to a west coast offense and could use one more good WR. If we can get a WR in free agency then the rest of the draft can focus on a speed rushing OLB, TE, DL, and depth at OL. We will not fill all of our holes but the majority can be addressed without giving up the world to move up for Luck or RGIII.
I personnaly think Flynn is the real deal and the key to us having a winning team sooner rather than later. Yes, Flynn only has two starts in the NFL but that is more experience than any college QB. In his two starts he has played really well against good teams that were in the playoffs each year he played them. A lot of people want to bag on the guy and say he is not that good because he only started two games. To that I say that every QB has to start somewhere. Just look at Aarron Rogers. People in Green Bay were going crazy when they let Brett Farve go but they new what they had in Rodgers. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I say take the chance and get Flynn. Make his contract similar to what Kolb signed last off-season. Kolb’s contract is very franchise friendly.
Fins-Fan - January 21, 2012
2 game comparison...
Flynn can only show what he’s got, when they let him play. I think he has tons of upside. In that roundabout way to be fair, compare Flynn’s first 2 games against ANYONE’s first 2 games and see what you get. Not too bad, IMO.
Simple Buddha - January 21, 2012
Agreed
Also some people think it is crazy to sign a 7th round pick to big money. Wasn’t Tom Brady a 7th round pick? When Bledsoe went down they turned it over to him and never looked back. Whos to say that can’t happen to Flynn. I would rather take the chance on Flynn then see him sign with another team and turn out to be Tom Brady.
Fins-Fan - January 21, 2012
Flynn and late round QBs
Not that it matters, but Brady was a sixth round pick. The situation is different because Brady was forced into action and he didn’t get a big contract until he had proven himself over several games. Flynn, like Caleb Hanie and Kevin Kolb, has received only limited playing time, but will command a big contract before he proves himself like Brady did. People need to not think of this as a 7th round pick getting big money, but an unproven QB getting big money. It wouldn’t matter if this was Colin Kaepernick (2nd round) or Ryan Mallett (3rd rounder), the hesitancy comes from giving such a large contract to unproven players, not giving a large contract to a late round pick.
I don’t say that to be mean to Flynn. Maybe he turns out to be the next Matt Schaub. Maybe he’s anther Kolb or Cassel. I am not comfortable giving an unproven player such a huge contract because I don’t want to be like KC or Arizona where we’re stuck with a QB because of his contract. I am a bit more comfortable with the idea of Flynn now that Philbin is on board because he knows Flynn much better than McCoy or Bowles would. Philbin knows how he could construct an offense around Flynn and knows if Flynn could operate the type of offense he wants. I’d still prefer RG3 because I think he’s a tremendous prospect, but I’d be ok with Flynn if Philbin has that much confidence in him.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
I agree with your last thoughts.
Philbin would not commit to Flynn if he didn’t have confidence in him. Additionally, IMO, the learning curve would be much shorter having spent time in the system.
Miamimaniac - January 21, 2012
Let's be honest guys...
I agree I DO like the Philbin hiring. I really hope his mind is in the right place and he can emotionally handle this responsibility. He has put up fantastic results in GB but this IS his first season as a head coach so honestly NONE of us really know how he can handle the position.
I like the direction this team is heading, but it’s going to be alot harder than signing Flynn for 5 years and having him put up games like he did against Detroit. Let’s remember the game Henne had against New England this year… let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
Obviously our main goal is to get a franchise QB to work with our new coach and form a dynasty. Everyone has their guy, but there are no guarentees in the NFL. However, we HAVE to try to get a QB this year, no question. I’m not saying it will be our ANSWER but hell, we have to try.
I’m wishing COach Philbin all the luck in the world, I expect him to have some good stuff in his sleeve, and we might catch a few teams by surprise next year considering NO other team has played against a Philbin coached team. We have that going for us.
Good luck to Coach Philbin, there’s no reason why a dynasty can’t be forming right in front of our eyes, but we still have some work to do. Let’s be realistic.
BSerious72 - January 21, 2012
Totally agree
Now go get RG3! I would rather take my chances with RG3 over Flynn. We should make a cocerted effort to get him. Now if that somehow doesn’t happen then I would take a look at Flynn or even Tannehill.
miamimike71 - January 21, 2012
*concerted
miamimike71 - January 21, 2012
I'm very high on RGIII
He’s young, he’s smart, he has all the intangibles to succeed. He’s not as expensive as LUck will be.
Our new coach will need a new QB, RGIII will probably be cheaper than Flynn, and his upside is through the roof.
I would ABSOLUTELY love this offseason if we have Philbin and RGIII, teams will have NO idea how to play against our offense, it’s our athleticism, unpredictability and talent which can make us VERY successful right off the bat.
BSerious72 - January 21, 2012
and with a fairly weak schedule :)
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
AJ what you think about Flacco?
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
The Ravens QB?
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
Yes!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
Just a feeling what wood he be a top 15 qb!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
I mean the guy is in the champingship game!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
Simple Question wood you want him here?
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
Over Moore yes. Would I give up anything for him, no.
I’d much rather get our own 1st round QB and develop him.
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
Sancheeze was in two. You need better than he's in thchampionship game to sell me on Flacco.
TheFinReaper - January 21, 2012
He's a decent-good QB around a top 15
Generally he isn’t going to lose you games but he won’t win many games for you either. He is good enough to win if he has a good team (like Baltimore), if he were with the Phins I would be ok with it but would also be looking for an upgrade. He can make all the throws and has pretty good pocket awareness. A good QB but think he has reached his ceiling.
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
He's a fricke #1 QB r you sure!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
I agree with AJ
I’d take him (Flacco) but I’d be on the search for a better QB. He does a good job of minimizing mistakes, but he hardly ever completely takes over a game.
PhinNomenol! - January 21, 2012 via Android app
The Ravens and Jets are not pass oriented systems
Both share the same philisophy with the pounding game, which limit the realm of the qb’s effectiveness.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
That may be the case
(as far as that being what limits him) and he’d have a chance to show that. But in the meantime, he’d be considered stopgap.
PhinNomenol! - January 21, 2012 via Android app
The success of a qb depends on the Coaches and system around him
Phillip Rivers struggled with change, Alex Smith blossomed with change, Bradford struggled, Matt Moore flourished, and the Eagles eptomized what change can do to you. Philbin can do magic for a qb and Flacco would strive in a new environment under his tutelage.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
Remember..
FA is BEFORE the draft.
Simple Buddha - January 21, 2012
we don't know if even the reason flynn has had super starts isn't due in part to philbin. that itself is promising.
a1a - January 21, 2012
Good hire
Super excited for the coming season. Glad we didnt g
Weecho85 - January 21, 2012 via Android app
Didnt hire denvers oc
Weecho85 - January 21, 2012 via Android app
Superman
It will be interesting to see if and when we get RG3 that he will have everyone wearing his Superman socks. Further adding a player to the Shaq and Dwight Howard debate of “Who is the real Superman?” lol
miamimike71 - January 21, 2012
I think i will withhold judgement,and hope for the best
All i know is he has had some success with multiple QBs.
1. Farve,say what you want, the most success this guy had was in Green Bay under Philbin. The excuse can be made that this guy is headed to Canton eventually, but how much of that was sheer talent, a good coach helps get you there.
2. Aaron Rodgers, this guy is good, but he was given time to develop into the guy he is now. Imo, that in a sense is a smart move by the coaching staff.
3. Matt Flynn, everyones worried that we may attempt to bring this guy over, but the few times he has been asked to step in, he has done so admirably. Part can be the cast, but a lot has to do with being prepared by the coaching staff.
Needless to say my biggest concern is the loss of his son. Though seeing the way people in Green Bay handle tragedy, it doesnt concern me as much. Some of Farves best games were on the wake of personal tragedies,and this is a grown mans game.
Needless to say, i think that Miami is a perfect fit, and i am just glad we didnt end up with Rob Ryan at the helm. For all the complaints about Ross, his coaching hires have instilled some confidence in me. Nolan,Daboll,and now this guy, he deserves a season or two before i make a decision.
dolphinfan4lyfe - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Favre
Brett Favre really doesn’t qualify as being under Philbin. He has only been the O. Co. for 4 years. But I agree about withholding judgement.
miamimike71 - January 21, 2012
people didn't withhold judgment on parcells and the troika, and look how that turned out. i don't think losing his son, tragic as it
is, relates to this, except to the extent that it could actually prove to be a reason he will throw himself more fully into the work.
a1a - January 21, 2012
Worst case scenario, we play moore next year, pick up a solid back up in FA
use the draft to solidify our “O” line , beef up our secondary, and maybe a good T.E., we go 10-6 make a wild card spot, and with our other team needs already in place, we go all out next draft for barkley, within 3 yrs, we are super bowl contenders. yeah , I know, sounds like i’ve been smoking ricky’s , sticky icky , but hey , dynasty building doesn’t happen overnight .
daytonadolfan - January 21, 2012
I find it funny that people would want to go all out for Barkley but not RG3
Barkley has just as many question marks as RG3 and is no better of a prospect.
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
glad I could bring joy to your life ! lol
daytonadolfan - January 21, 2012
No need, my kids do that good enough. :)
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
Personally,
I’d prefer RGIII to Barkley. In all honesty, given equal opportunity, if I ran a team like the Dolphins, I’d even take RGIII over Luck.
I love the chance to play chess. A mobile, athletic QB becomes a powerful piece. A pure pocket passer, you rarely worry about him running. It essentially becomes 10 on 11. A guy like RGIII (or Vick or Cam), there’s always that chance that if a play is stopped, he’ll pop out and pick up 10 or so yards. I see him as a better passer and more patient than Vick with a better cast than Cam.
I know my line of logic is counter to many pure football enthusiasts, but I think that will be the next big offensive evolution in football, mobile QBs who can break out for yards when a play breaks down, ones feared as much as a passer as running threat.
PhinNomenol! - January 21, 2012 via Android app
4-2 to 4-4 Kp to k4Wood
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
I don't disagree
but Luck is more than a pocket passer, he is mobile in his own right.
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
RGIII
has track speed. He can elude, pick up plenty of yards and still get down before taking devastating hits. As a combination of pocket passer and run threat, I take RGIII for a more progressive offensive styling.
You have Bush, who could run it, or take a short pass to the house. Marshall and his YAC, and up top ability. Gates, blazing speed to stretch the field or take a few screens. A QB capable of throwing the long ball, hit accurate passes underneath, or burning you. The offense has so much versatility that it’s impossible to figure out where to defend this team.
PhinNomenol! - January 21, 2012 via Android app
Luck's probably going to runa 4.7 at the combine
Thats extremely fast for a QB and enough speed to break contain and gain the edge. So he doesn;t have RGIII’s 4.5 speed – whi cares. He’s a better prospect overall because of the system he played and a bunch of other factors, including NFL body.
zeusmith - January 21, 2012
I did say "worst case scenario " only because I don't see our front office trading the farm this year with
so many holes to fill, and possibly a new offense being installed. would I love to see RGIII in aqua and orange , hell yes , but I still don’t trust this front office to pull the trigger yet, which is why I voted optimistic, but pessimistic , lol but hey , best case scenario is they do it, and most everyone is happy.
daytonadolfan - January 21, 2012
I see Marshall and Sean Smith ending up in St Louis along with our #1 for this
season and next year’s #1. The rams fills 2 holes and get an OL in the draft. Philbin likes speed on the outside and speed up the middle. I see him getting Dwayne Allen and finding that speed rcvr to go with Hartline and Bess.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
I dom't see that trade happening personally.
It’s very expensive to Miami and if Philbin wants RG3, he needs a good starting WR to help him. It’s a lot to ask of a rookie QB to operate with Bess and Hartline as your top two WRs.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
Although Philbin is used to Jennings being the #1 WR.
Hartline could very easily be like Nelson in the new system.
Bess could be a slower Driver.
Bush could fill the role that Starks did, but we may need to find a better power back.
All we are missing are two deep threats and an elite TE to replicate what Phibin had in GB.
PotM - January 21, 2012
I don't really think we can compare our WRs to GB's.
Bess and Driver are very different WRs. While I have confidence in Bess and Hartline as our #2 and #3 WRs, I wouldn’t like the prospect of giving up Marshall and having rookie operate without such a threat at WR.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
Don't have to be a rookie, Finhead.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
Why would we trade all those picks and players for STL and not have RG3?
Of course it’d be for a rookie.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
Tru dat Pot
BM is just not a Philbin rcvr and I think he will reach for speed on the outside.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
whoa
Hartline can EASILY be jordy Nelson? Hell no Nelson is a beast
Driver is slowly being phased out that offense anyway and starks is no bush
Deuce Black - January 21, 2012 via iPhone app
exactly
I don’t understand why everyone is so quick to get rid of Marshall without a replacement
Deuce Black - January 21, 2012 via iPhone app
I'm sure the rams
Can use a starting wr and cb but it’s not even certain that this team is willing to give that up
And now it’s likely we’ll just end up with Flynn
Deuce Black - January 21, 2012 via iPhone app
I don't see it that way.
I think RG3 has a higher ceiling because of his athleticism, but Barkley is more pro ready. RG3 and Barkley are basically neck and neck.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
That's why I don't understand
the people that don’t want to trade for RG3 but want to wait a year and go for Barkely when in all likely hood we will have a lower draft pick so it will cost a lot more. They also assume that the teams at the top of the draft won’t need a QB and would be willing to trade the pick. If you trade up with St. Louis or Minnesota you get the QB now that as you say are basically neck and neck.
Agent J 78 - January 22, 2012
LIKE the Hire...
I am on board with this hire…finally shows we are serioous about fixing this mediocre offense….Sure – we have to see how good he can be as a coach and leader…and I agree with CT – we need experienced coordinators !
If we sign FLYNN (for this move) it would be great – but lets not break the bank for him…probably we should trade down in the first rd. when there is no PLAYMAKER for us at #8/9 If you are taking OL – just take it further down for gods sake !
We need another WR, feature TE QB QB QB……
62Lou - January 21, 2012
If we were to trade down I would want Mark Barron
Agent J 78 - January 21, 2012
YanoThis wood work as well!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
This^^^ x99999999999999999
marshallrocks1 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Voted option two
though I think we could make a playoff run in year one if we have a solid draft and a few breaks go our way.
BobLoblaw113 - January 21, 2012
Superbowl Man! Philbin will be just fine
A new environment for family while healing, a supportive organization and fanbase, renewed hope for a tumbling franchise, and the possibility of landing a franchise qb is what offseason are made of. Philbin will immerse himself and his son into turning Miami around and right now, Clemens and a few of Greenbay’s FAs will speed up the healing and the track to success.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
F4T5Y what you think about Flaco!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
I think Flacco can become a top qb with Philbin and his qb coach, Clemens mentoring
him. It would be an Alex Smith/Harbaugh reincarnation with Flacco being the better for his exp and intangibles. Flacco needs to be unleashed and I would love to have him in Miami.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
The word is he can not win te Championship game That the Line has to do all the work!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
Well, they,ve beaten both the Pats and 49ers this season so I don't understand
where that analogy comes from. Houston, btw is 1 of the better pass rushing teams in the league and Flacco did not lose the game. Ed Reed had a point, but Suggs stated the obvious.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
But
Flaaco sux.
marshallrocks1 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
So u think they have a good Olinethen!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
agree w/ you 35 years, well said
a1a - January 21, 2012
Perry Fewell
Would be great assistant head coach or DC. Miami should consider him.
marshallrocks1 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
Fewell is still under contract with NYG for DC.
I highly doubt the Giants would give Fewell permission to make a lateral move. I also doubt Fewell would care to do so.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
True
But throw enough cash at him as an assistant HC he will come.
marshallrocks1 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
If the Giants would allow him to move.
Assistant HC isn’t considered a promotion in the NFL. Same goes from being a position coach to trying to going to being a Coordinator. The Giants could, and probably would, block the move.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
In that case
Del rio and steelers assistant Jerry Olsavsky would be good.
marshallrocks1 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
I wouldn't mind Del Rio.
I don’t think Olsavsky is ready and again, Pittsburgh could block his move to if they think he can take over when LeBeau retires.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
Sorry, meant to be a reply to Marshall above...
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
Lebeau is a HOFer
So they would not want that serious quality dip in who is their coordinator. I think they would let him go.
marshallrocks1 - January 21, 2012 via mobile
LeBeau is a HoFer
But he’s near the end of his career and Pittsburgh would probably want to promote from within to succeed LeBeau. I think Keith Butler is the better option to replace LeBeau when he retires, but it’s not a given. Either way, I don’t think Olsavsky is ready. He only has 2 years experience.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
Haven't been commenting much - especially on this issue
I don’t think anyone really knows how Philbin will do, nor how’s his son’d death will affect him, if anything. At the end of the day, the player personnel decisions probably have the most impact on team performance, so Ireland will have to continue improving the squad. If the draft keeps being mediocre and there’s no franchise QB, it wont matter worth a damn what Philbin does.
That said it seems he’s coming from a winning system, so I’m optimistic. But I really have no idea who will be the OC, DC so WhoTF knows.
zeusmith - January 21, 2012
I'm with you, and I'm not drinking the kool aid yet.
Seems we hired another “great” OC to be our head coach 5 years ago, and what we got was the worst draft/season in Dolphins history. Nobody’s talking about it, but who knows if Philbin is just another Cam Cameron? I hope not. Incidentally, Cameron is Flacco’s OC, and Flacco isn’t exactly tearing it up. My point is that hiring a brilliant OC is no guarantee of success. But he can’t possibly be worse than Cameron, could he? Meanwhile, I’m looking at all draft-eligible 5’7" 170 lb wide receivers who run a 4.2, but have a broken foot. After all, looks like we could be drafting 9th again.
Dolfan Lee - January 21, 2012
There are no recipe for success with HCs
It doesn’t matter if they have previous experience, come from college, were great coordinators, or never a coordinator at all. You can find success and failure stories from all different coaching backgrounds. You can’t compare Philbin to Cameron. You have to look at them separately. You may think “well both were former OCs so there are similarities,” but that is all they have in common. Cameron and Shula are now both former HCs that didn’t win with their first franchise, but that doesn’t mean Cameron has a better chance of winning a SB because he had one failed year as HC. Forget about Cameron, think about Philbin as if he isn’t comparable to anyone.
Finhead83 - January 21, 2012
Sumtimes it does help if there's chemistry betwen the head coach & the Starting QB.
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
Agree completely, Fin
I’m not comparing the two. My point is there are a whole bunch of posts/threads that read along the lines of “we need an offensive minded coach,” or “getting Philbin makes us instant contenders” etc…All of that is wrong! The truth is we have no idea how Philbin will do. I’m hoping he’s the right guy, but we have no way of knowing until the season plays out. His past as an OC won’t mean anything if he can’t lead, which is his primary job. No amount of brilliance as a coordinator makes you a leader. As we’ve seen (Norv Turner, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, a bunch of others), some coordinators are just that – coordinators.
Dolfan Lee - January 21, 2012
Exactly
Excessive optimism or pessimism is unwarranted until we see more. I’ll probably have to wait until training camp to even begin to formulate an opinion, thus, this move is neutral in my mind; the only positives being the coaching position is settled with someone other than Tony Sparano.
zeusmith - January 21, 2012
1.5
I think we’re not Superbowl bound (pending a miracle), or a few years out…I think that perhaps the year after next will be very promising. Just a hunch (coupled with some wishful thinking). At least we can move on from here…I’m curious to see what sort of staff he surrounds himself with…that will make the difference.
cordy_1971 - January 21, 2012
Any Dilpher err dill-pickel UM QB.can get you in the playoffs (IE NYJ) Hanging on every word fact or fiction!
It will take “a Herculean effort” from the suporting cast no matter what game plain one should use. As i see it just any QB can get you into the playoffs. But elite is a fraze squanderd mostly by those not conciously considering the suporting cast.
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
I am suprised no one has mentioned Billick as a coordinator hire
Sure hes got the head coach pedigree but in the end it would allow him to regain stock and allow him to get his feet wet.
Good news is, is that he fits the bill on many levels including an experienced coach for our new guy to pick his brain.
dolphinfan4lyfe - January 21, 2012 via mobile
ps he would make for an excellent asst head coach.
dolphinfan4lyfe - January 21, 2012 via mobile
He wont be hired for the same reason that has been stated over and over as to why he did not get an interview.
texascowpunk - January 21, 2012
What TCP said
As long as Ross is the owner he will never be in Miami.
Agent J 78 - January 22, 2012
Larry Coker's doppleganger! Genius!
JP 23 - January 21, 2012
Yeah I figured most would not even get that but it was funny to me so I still put it in.
texascowpunk - January 21, 2012
I'm somewhere between the top 2 choices
I don’t think we’ll win Super Bowl XLVII, but I don’t think we need a “few years” of retooling either
phinsphan85 - January 21, 2012
From WI
I like Joe Philbin but dont bring Flynn please
dolphinfan1323 - January 21, 2012
Yeah Seattle, wants him then Washington, is next in line
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
So you trust him enough to hire him as your HC but if he tells you that Flynn is the real deal you still don't sing him?
Think about it!
texascowpunk - January 21, 2012
Sing him, you want to serenade Flynn do you TCP ;)
Agent J 78 - January 22, 2012
Maybe!
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
Got to say this is my first time posting and just want to say how much i love this site and cant wait till we start winning so i dont have to listen to all the packer fans
dolphinfan1323 - January 21, 2012
Just thinking that Philbin might bring his QB couse of his familueraty with his system!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
Brian Schotty to be Rams OC
phinsphan85 - January 21, 2012
Yeah were next!
wild zion beaver - January 21, 2012
I like the hire
Patssuck456 - January 21, 2012
So do I, 456.
fin4three5yrs - January 21, 2012
Coaches Coach...Players Play
I like the hire, but even a better offensive philosophy doesn’t automatically make us a SB contender. We should have been a playoff team this year, but I don’t think we would have advanced far if at all.
To make Philbin’s system work, we’re gonna need a RT, TE, and one more stud WR… regardless of QB.
DrJay32 - January 21, 2012
If the Dolphins sign Matt Flynn
And perennially challenge the Patriots for the division, count me in as a Dolphin fan.
arodgb - January 21, 2012
So you won't be a Dolphins fan if they don't sign Matt Flynn
Interesting
Agent J 78 - January 22, 2012
Its fine. I hear the Rams site is looking for a few members so then they will have a few members.
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
I also heard they have this big shot HC........ not sure what to believe though.
Agent J 78 - January 22, 2012
Its all a lie.
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
Probably, should never listen to the media
Agent J 78 - January 22, 2012
Its hard to say. You can not go around being ill informed but its not like the old days where media types
checked and checked and then checked again to make sure what they were reporting was correct. Hell even when they know its not totally true (see the yahoo story on the Canes last year) they still print it if it will get them noticed. I believe like with anything else there are still those out there trying to do the right things in the right way. You just have to learn who you can trust and who you take with a grain of salt.
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
If they perennially challenge the Patriots for the division, regardless of QB, I’ll also be a Dolphin fan.
arodgb - January 22, 2012
So your fandom is based on some sort of contingency? Sad!
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
Errr
Not a fan then. I’ll just cheer for Flynn and Philbin, and hope they finish higher than the Patriots. Geez….
arodgb - January 22, 2012
I will root for my team no matter what because they are my team. My fandom can not be bought or sold.
Sure I want a SB every single year but I am not going to go and become a Pats fan, a Lakers fan, a Yankees fan or a Redwings fan just so I can claim that my team won something. Thats chicken shit right there IMO.
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
If you look at his sig and profile it makes a lot more sense. :)
Agent J 78 - January 22, 2012
He's just a Pack fan visiting the board. That's why he's not all pro-Dolphin. He's just anti-Pat rooting for former Packers.
Finhead83 - January 22, 2012
whizzzzz!
Right over your head.
arodgb - January 22, 2012
Troll?
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
Look
I’m just cheering for my former Packers, I think you’ve got the wrong idea here. Sorry if I upset you. I’m not someone who fairweathers over to every championship team like you’re suggesting, I just came over to say that I’m cheering for Philbin, and if Flynn comes, I’m cheering for him to beat the Patriots. If you’ve got any questions about either, I’d love to answer them.
arodgb - January 22, 2012
Fair enough. I though you were a Phins fan being........well like some Phins fans can be.....
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
Ah. I see.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
arodgb - January 22, 2012
No worries. My bad!
texascowpunk - January 22, 2012
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