Last night, reports started floating that the Miami Dolphins coaching candidates had been narrowed from three finalists to two. Dolphins interim head coach Todd Bowles was reportedly the odd man out, with the decision coming down to either Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin or Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy.
Which brings up this morning's question. Which of those two would your prefer?
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At this point
I’ll be happy with either of the two. Didn’t want McCoy but I’ve been lured in by articles. If I really had to choose though… Philbin
Goon305Boy10 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
dolphin coach
as long as it,s somebody not linked to the DALLAS COWGIRLS which is all we,ve had since shula got dumped i,ll be happy
dolphinfan55555 - January 20, 2012
To be honest I'd be happy with either.
But I just think this McCoy appointment is imminent. If it is him, we need to get behind the guy. There was an article suggesting the guy can make lemonade out of lemons. I’m fine with that. Lets make this appointment and start planning for this offseason!
BahamaDolfan - January 20, 2012
I agree I am behind either one
I lean towards McCoy. Because the demand for Philbin isn’t as high as McCoy. That tells me people smarter then me at football think he is a good choice.
I also think if McCoy does not pan out when then the Dolphins can change the GM and coach next season. There is also the possibly of better coaching options next year.
MightyHal - January 20, 2012
I think the pole doesn't agree with you
78% are in favor of Philbin. We’ll call that the silent majority.
Miamimaniac - January 20, 2012
I think he was referring to other football organizations being more interested in McCoy than Philbin.
LOL at believing miamimaniac thought the fan survey were people that knew more about football than him.
mjams - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Then he should have been more clear. I've read it numerous time and I don't see that suggestion.
Just LOL at mjams
Miamimaniac - January 20, 2012
We better keep Bowles as DC
would mean alot to the players. having two different HC in a season and not having either on the coaching staff the following year would be difficult on them. so to keep the one who kept the team together to end the season as DC would be great
west coast phinfan - January 20, 2012
I hope Bowles stays as DC or something
I believe he’ll make a good HC one of these days.
As of now, I don’t care which one we get. But Philbin is still my #1.
Kdog92 - January 20, 2012
my choice was philbin from the start, mc coy doesnt impress me
but what do i know im just a fan like the rest of us
smokinjoe699 - January 20, 2012
at this point, i like both
Either would be good choices. Like I said In the other post. Philbin will make the players play better, while McCoy will make it seem like the players are playing better. The positive with McCoy is that, no matter which players we have, McCoy will gameplan to use the strengths perfextly.
AnishB15 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
The Denver media has been reporting Mcoy
to the fins since last night but its yet to be confirmed 100 percent
finfan11 - January 20, 2012
That's why I'm not going with it yet.
Remember, the St. Louis media was reporting Fisher to Miami also.
Kevin Nogle - January 20, 2012
Very good point now a days everything is a smoke screen
finfan11 - January 20, 2012
Philbin
McCoy is taking credit for his defense and his team winning in spite of Tebow
Patssuck456 - January 20, 2012
Btw
Do you sleep mosul? You’re always putting out articles, regardless of what time it is. Are you on call all day and night? Get some sleep man.
AnishB15 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
Occasionally.
Kevin Nogle - January 20, 2012
no dude don't tell him that
What the hell will I do without non stop phinsider reading?
Red Dog - January 20, 2012
Has anybody asked Denver fans what they thought of McCoy ?
Would be nice to hear someone whose on the other side
Goon305Boy10 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
From what I've read...
Broncos fans are going to have a celebration if McCoy gets the Dolphins job. They pretty much want him gone…
SoxDolphin - January 20, 2012
Might be what's going on with the Denver media
Wishful thinking. Either way I’m behind our next coach.
Miamimaniac - January 20, 2012
I have wanted Philbin since back in September. The opinion here seems pretty obvious.
McCoy is getting tons of praise for tailoring an offense to Tebow. Does that make him one step above Dan Mullen (OC at UF for Tebow’s first season)? Maybe we should get Mullen instead since he has been a head coach (Mississippi State). Are we all forgetting that with a beast of an athlete (Tebow) at QB, McCoy managed to go 7-4 despite going 1-4 with Orton (Who McCoy supposedly gets the best out of)? Hell, Sparano went 7-6 with Henne in 2009 and nobody is talking about him being a great coach (Granted he didn’t adapt anything for Henne). The Broncos made the playoffs after blowing 3 games ONLY because they A) Had a great defense and B) played in the AFC West. Think about that. The AFC WEST! Are we really going to stake the future of the franchise to a guy that went .500 out west?
TheFinReaper - January 20, 2012
Mike McCarthy had the 32nd ranked offense as OC
For the 4-12 49ers before taking over Green Bay. Conversely, Josh Mcdaniels was the OC for a 11-5 NE team that had the 5th ranked offense. Do I think he’ll be like either of those guys? I have no idea but don’t judge a book by its cover, let the professionals decide. They know infanetly more than we do about running an NFL franchise.
Agent J 78 - January 20, 2012
You said it exactly
How about this snippet, GB was 22nd in points scored in 2005 (298) and 2006 (301). the OC in GB was Tom Rossley in 05 and Jagodzinski in 06. So McCarthy added a field goal without Philbin. After Philbin showed up, the offense went from 22nd to 4th (435 points) in 07 to 5th (419 points) in 08, to 3rd (461 points) in 09. The average points scored in a season by Green Bay since Philbin arrived (2007-2012) is 452.6 points. GB’s best year under Philbin (2011) saw them score nearly as many points in 16 games as they had in 32 games the 2 years prior to Philbin becoming OC (560 in 2011 vs 599 in 2005-2006).
Check out this excerpt from my fanpost from back in September (Available in full Here)
If you want to question just how much of that success is due to Philbin, just examine the year before he arrived (Mike McCarthy arrived in 2006 and had Jeff Jagodzinski as his OC) and his first season on the job.
Despite few personnel changes beyond Philbin, (Not one draft choice that year becae a starter and no free agents were signed from other teams) the Packers beat their previous year’s offensive output in every category except for rushing first downs. But Mike McCarthy was calling plays so it;s irrelevent right? Who do the McCoy supporters think designed the playbook McCarthy was calling plays from?!?!?Soak all of that in for a minute. Especially take note of the last paragraph. Look at how Philbin’s presence impacted Aaron Rogers performance. People are talking about McCoy because he adjusted the offense to suit Tim Tebow. He ran a freaking college option-based offense with the most successful option QB in history and people are acting like the man is a genius. further consider how many times Tebow was caught behind the line of scrimmage and through pure athleticism broke free and generated positive yardage. Was that brilliant play calling? No, that was heart you can’t measure from Tebow.
The prognosticators are giving McCoy credit for making Tebow look good but the reality is a virtual 180 twist from that. Tebow’s completion % sucked. Partly due to Tebow’s accuracy no question there, but how many of those incompletions were throwaways to avoid a negative play? He only had like 8 to 10 of those against New England this past Sunday. Why did Tebow have to throw the ball away so much? Answer: no one was open down field and the O-line was getting shredded. Despite the mad bull pressure that NE was sending, McCoy kept calling hand offs and long routes that were getting blown up left and right. Where were the short slants designed to net 5 yards a completion? How about a swing pass to Demarius Thomas? How about that it took Denver 4 quarters of play before they finally ran a play action pass against Pittsburgh? Adaptation my ass!
McCoy is no great offensive savant. He rode a surge to stardom where all he did was call an option offense that generated 19.3 points per game. In McCoy’s 3 years at Denver the Broncos have finished 20th, 19th and 25th in points scored but this is the man with the solution for being competitve against the AFC East?!?!? His supporters immediatly credit him for the #1 rushing offense in the NFL but try to sweep that 21st ranked pass attack under the rug by blaming Tebow. Who the hell do they think did the running?!?!? Denver had 2630 rush yards this past season (16 Games, 164.38 yards per game). Tebow had 660 rush yards (11 games, 60 yards per game). In other words, Tebow was around 36% of the run game no small portion of which came on busted pass plays. If you count the whole season, Tebow accounted for 25% of the running game in Denver despite spotting everyone else 5 games. Denver was actually 6th in rush yards per carry. The Entire Broncos team sans Tebow averaged 4.65 yards per carry while Tebow averaged 5.4. Hell, Reggie Bush averaged 5 yards per carry under Daboll in a conventional scheme. Still, Tebow was made better by McCoy not the other way around right? I mean it’s not like Tebow was the one breaking the tackles and running the football. Oh, Wait.
TheFinReaper - January 20, 2012
He had Willis McGahee at RB..
I’ll let you just think about that one for a sec. There’s a reason why the Broncos are his 3rd team, he’s not that good! Wanna know why we almost traded for Kyle Orton???? Because McCoy made him good. Period. McCoy can get the best out of Matt Moore (ala Harbaugh with Alex Smith in San Fran) and then hopefully we’ll draft a RT this year and we just got an incredibly explosive offense that quick.
tylerrr - January 20, 2012
McGahee was the #15 rusher in the NFL amongst all rushers with at least 100 attempts. Better than Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Maurie Jones-Drew, and the list goes on and on. McGahee was not a liability. Maybe you should think about that for a sec.
Kyle Orton played no better in those 2 seasons than Matt Moore played this season so what is special about McCoy’s work with Orton? Orton had an 86.8 QB rating in 2009 and 87.5 in 2010 as the unchallenged starter each year. Moore posted an 87.1 QB rating this year after taking over roughly 4 games into the season.Matt Moore actually posted a better QB rating in Carolina AFTER McCoy left for Denver (67.0 in 9 games in 2007 and 98.5 in 7 games in 2009). So please explain McCoy’s great developmental reputation regarding QBs because it really isn’t anything special especially when you directly compare it with Philbin’s. I bet this info comes as a tremendous shock to you so take a few minutes and absorb it and then maybe re-evaluate your opinion of McCoy.
TheFinReaper - January 20, 2012
LOL okay so McCoy had nothing to do with Jake Delhomme then either, right?
Do some research bro. Kyle Orton was bad in Chicago but suddenly actually became relevent when he came to Denver… OBVIOUSLY it was because he had so many weapons in Denver, had nothing to do with McCoy, youre totally right.. Oh yea and youre gonna start the QB rating debate then? Thats not a flawed system or anything.. The Matt Moore in ‘07 was young and inexperienced, but in ’09 he was more knowledgeable both of football in general and of his offense. It only makes sense that he’d be better, but nope, I guess you dont feel like considering the inexperience factor
And then there’s Willis McGahee… He was a career 4.1 yds per carry AFTER including this past season. His 4.8 per carry is .1 better than AP and Ray Rice and Jones-Drew… What was your point there again? I mean, .1 yards!!!!! OMG!!!!! He’s amazing!!!!!! Had nothing to do with John Fox’s ability to make any RB in his offense look good.. Think Mike Shanahan, is any RB for the Redskins actually good? No.
tylerrr - January 21, 2012
I like both but I choose McCoy
He describes what Ross said he wanted a young coach who could (hopefully) become a Don Shula
Phinsphana - January 20, 2012
I like both but leaning towards McCoy...he seems to have that "it" factor
From what I have read about him…kind of excited we didn’t get Fisher…which is a change of heart for me!
MassFinFan65 - January 20, 2012
Same. We wouldn't have changed much under Fisher. Thank god Shottenheimer isn't coming!
Instead we’re going to see a vertical passing game, whichever candidate comes. That excites me. Throw in RG3 and this could be the start of something special. But, lets take one step at a time.
BahamaDolfan - January 20, 2012
Either can work with a QB so I'm good with that
I prefer coaches that will adapt to the talent on the team versus adapting the talent to the scheme. McCoy has done that and succeeded so I voted McCoy for that reason. Oh and forget pointing at the 1-4 start with Orton. Look at the body of work not just 5 games.
FinsSince70 - January 20, 2012
Ross is Making a Choice Between Two HC/QB Combos Here
I’m pretty sure this is gonna play out one of two ways:
1.) We choose McCoy. Subsequently we trade up in the draft, snag RG3, and bet on McCoy’s flexibility and innovativeness to build an offense that works around him, a la Timmy Teebs.
2.) We choose Philbin. Subsequently we use him to lure Matt Flynn (who’s had precisely ONE great game) for hopefully not an ungodly sum, trade down in the draft, shore up our O-line and free safety spot with 2 1st-rounders, build an offense similar to Green Bay’s and hope Flynn can execute.
I see track 1 as the high-risk high-reward play, and 2 is the more conservative track (though still with a lot of ifs/hopes). It’s a judgment call.
Do you hit on 16 with the dealer showing a 10-card? If so, go McCoy. If not…Philbin.
elzatcho - January 20, 2012
I kind of seeing it unfolding that way as well.
Agent J 78 - January 20, 2012
I'm partial to DolPhil(bin)
however, using your logic, I’d clamor for McCoy. I think RGIII is going to be really special and he would tip my vote to McCoy over Phil (even WITH Flynn in tow). This will be interesting.
PhinNomenol! - January 20, 2012 via Android app
Same Boat
Assuming it plays out like I THINK it will, I’m with you Phinomenol.
elzatcho - January 20, 2012
Talk about
exciting the fan base!
PhinNomenol! - January 20, 2012 via Android app
Mc Coy is an offensive coradinator
The Fins just got a new one last year.In following Ross’s logic of continuity Bowles will be the new defensive cordinator and I think Philbin will be HC.
broxtone - January 20, 2012
oh my bad both candidates are oc's
I still think Bowles will be DC but now I dont have a clue as to the new HC.Whoever is willing to work with is it Davoli the new oc the phins aquired last year.Or is this continuity notion just gum flapping,by master negoitiator Ross.
broxtone - January 20, 2012
WHAT DO WE REALLY KNOW ABOUT THESE TWO?????
Presently, the team has no coach, No defensive co-ordinator. I am not sure of status of Brian Dabol. There is a new QB and new RB’s. We are looking to hire a virgin Head coach.
My question is Who are these Two??? It is not like he will be walking into a situation with a full support system. At least we knew Jeff Fisher has been around and done this for a while!!
Joe Philbin 58 yrs old, 19 years college experience, worked in NFL since 2003 for Green Bay. NO DEFENSIVE EXPERIENCE, NO HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE
Mike McCoy 39 yrs old. 2000-2008 worked at Carolina as passing game coach, QB coach and in 2001 was wide recievers coach. Last 3 years he was offensive coordinator for Denver.
Both of these choices are REALLY SCARY!!!
DAVEBUCK - January 20, 2012
So is the dark!!!!
There is no other alternative, and don’t mention Billick, Marty Schottenheimer or the others currently in broadcasting, none were ever an option.
Agent J 78 - January 20, 2012
I didn't
But is this it??
DAVEBUCK - January 20, 2012
Is it too late to interview charlie sheen?
winning, and a health supply of tiger blood rather than gatoraid could really boost our morale.
Phinphinatic - January 20, 2012
LOL
Miamimaniac - January 20, 2012
I believe that it's McCoy which the are trying to convince Bowles to stay as
DC….the players really liked Bowles….will keep continuity while adding the Spark and leadership of McCoy!
Just a theory!
MassFinFan65 - January 20, 2012
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