SB Nation - Login for mobile commenting

The Phinsider

Miami Dolphins Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland Not Harbingers of the Apocalypse?

All over the internet, from this site, to other blogs, to Twitter, and even the beat writers, it seems like the end is near and the Miami Dolphins are the bringers of the apocalypse. Ever rumor, partial story, or leak is debated, with most people expounding on how stupid Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is or how bad a general manager Jeff Ireland is. It's gotten so bad, you wonder, reading some of these things, how some of these people are actually Dolphins fans.

But, is it possible that things aren't as bad as they seem?

The main knocks on Ross are the celebrity owners and the entertainment things at Sun Life Stadium, as well as the Jim Harbagh fiasco last spring. But, isn't that exactly what you want your owner to be doing? Don't we, as fans, want Ross to be focused on ways to make the experience at the game enjoyable and memorable? Do we want Jerry Jones of Dan Snyder, making every football operations decision?

Ross has brought in celebrity minority owners to offset some of the $1 billion dollar investment he made to purchase the team. Oh my goodness - it's the end of the world. Now Venus Williams might.....do absolutely nothing with the portion of the team she bought. Who cares if Ross sells a portion of the team - which is his to do with as he pleases - to a celebrity? What effect does that have on the football being played on the field?

Star-divide

Now, the Harbaugh mess was exactly that, a mess. But, it was a mess with good intentions. Ross knew Harbaugh was the coach to go after - and he went after him. Should he have done it with Tony Sparano still employed by the team? Maybe not - but Ross saw an opportunity to improve the team, and he took a chance. But, now he gets derided because he showed he wants to make the Dolphins better.

Again, isn't this what we want from an owner?

Then there's Jeff Ireland. It seems like the only person who wants to keep Ireland with the Dolphins is Ross. It's so bad that fans took up a donation to fly a banner over the stadium demanding Ross fire Ireland. But, why is everyone so out to get Ireland?

Because Dolphins fans need change for change's sake. It has nothing to do with Ireland - he's just the target. Miami Dolphins fans just want to see change, because change brings hope that things will get better. Of course, those same fans are the first ones to complain when the change doesn't work - or even worse, when the person they demanded be cut or fired does well in their next job.

Ireland has had one year of doing his job as the top guy for the Dolphins. One. Sure, he's been employed with the team over the last four years, during which the team has had questionable draft moves. But, can you say that those decisions were Ireland's and not former Vice President of Football Operations Bill Parcells' moves? Bet you can't. Just like none of us can. Did he have input? Sure. Just like Tony Sparano did. But, when it came down to it, no move could be made without Parcells' agreement.

So, in the one year without Parcells, Ireland had a solid draft, bringing in Pro Bowl alternate Mike Pouncey as a center, when no one else said he could play the position. He grabbed Clyde Gates and Charles Clay, both of whom contributed on the team, despite being 4th and 6th round picks, respectively. He also landed Jimmy Wilson, a guy who could have been a first round draft pick a couple of years ago if not for a two year stint in jail before being acquitted of murder, bringing in Wilson with a seventh round pick, and having him contribute, to include starts this year. In the second round, Ireland took Daniel Thomas, who, despite battling injuries all year, still had moments where he showed the potential the Dolphins want in a rookie running back.

Overall, a very solid draft, with only defensive tackle Frank Kearse not having an impact on the team. Kearse spent the early part of the year on the practice squad before being snatched up by the Carolina Panthers.

Ireland also grabbed Reggie Bush, trading a draft pick and Jonathan Amaya to the Saints for the running back the team wanted. Bush was expected to be released by the Saints, meaning his salary price tag could have jumped significantly if other teams got involved. Instead, Miami saw a guy they wanted, while trading a way a guy lost on their depth chart. Bush being in Miami seems to have worked out okay for the Dolphins.

Yes, Ireland brought in Marc Colombo as well. And, yes, we all saw how bad Colombo was. But, Ireland and Sparano were with the Cowboys when Colombo actually played well. Guaranteed the two thought he could get back to that form two years after his broken leg. But, it didn't work.

How can you hold Ireland responsible for moves he may not have made? Look at the Jimmy Graham vs. John Jerry third round draft choice. Parcells has said, the team wanted Graham. Parcells even wanted Graham, but he thought Jerry was the better pick in the third round, and that he could grab Graham in the fourth round. When the New Orleans Saints selected Graham later in the third round, Parcells called the Saints and said it was a great choice.

How do you hold that against Ireland? And that was just the 2010 draft.

And, can we please stop complaining about former Dolphins we see with other teams? Every time a former Dolphin makes a play for someone else, people start screaming about how dumb the Dolphins are to rid of that guy. You know, we missed out on Drew Brees. But, at least we didn't cut Brees. San Diego did.

As a fan base, we love to scream that a player is a bum, he's a bust, he's trash. We need to cut this guy immediately. He doesn't perform. Then, when he does anything for a different team, the complaints about how dumb the front office is to get rid of that guy, start. If you want a player gone - or if a player left to bring in a 1,000 yard running back that excited the fan base, a move largely applauded as a great decision - you can't then complain when he develops into something. Not every single player comes out of college and makes a huge impact right away. There's a thing called development. But, as Dolphins fans, we seem to want immediate impact, or we want change for change's sake.

Now, the number one thing to hold against Ross and Ireland is the team's "failure" to land Jeff Fisher. After Jim Harbaugh went to the San Francisco 49ers despite Ross and Ireland's advances, Fisher deciding to go to the St. Louis Rams has been seen as the end of the Miami Dolphins' as a respectable franchise. Ross, according to many published comments and posts, is such a horrible owner, that he can't bring in a big name coach. Ireland is such a problem that no coach will work with him.

Yet, as kmb8488 pointed out recently, Fisher is not even the coach we as fans should have been drooling over. You even have Dolphins beat writers looking at what Fisher is doing in St. Louis and questioning the desire to land the "top candidate" this offseason.

Ken LaVicka

Fisher is bringing in Schottenheimer as #Rams OC, Gregg Williams as DC? So wait, why was Fisher such a hot commodity? Hilarious.

Now, we are also starting to see things about Fisher's contract that make it apparent that Fisher never intended to become the head coach of the Dolphins. Fisher's 5-year, $35 million contract comes out to $7 million a year. That number put him in the upper echelon of coaches, but it still lower than what Ross would have paid, and, reportedly, offered to Fisher.

But, according to Fisher, it was non-monetary decisions that led him to the Rams. So, it must have been the power struggle Fisher saw with having to deal with Ireland for personnel decisions. After all, Ireland's contract explicitly states that he answers only to Ross, and that he has final say in personnel decisions. Fisher, reportedly, was asking the Dolphins to make him the Vice President of Football Operations and give him final say in all personnel matters - essentially making him Ireland's boss. When Ross would not allow that, the talks reportedly broke down.

Yet, he has none of that in St. Louis. He is the head coach. He has as much input in the GM search there as he wants, but the GM will still run personnel, while Fisher runs the coaching side. So, Fisher is willing to have equal say, or less than equal say, with a GM in St. Louis, but couldn't do that in Miami?

Fisher said, before the search began, that the two things he was looking for was a quarterback and a good owner. He ruled the teams down to St. Louis and Miami - looking at the owners at that point. All the reports and comments that Fisher was making a slight at Ross during his press conference by saying his decision came down to a good owner need to relax and make sure they get the full quote in context - it was a comment made even before he interviewed with the Dolphins. Then, the quarterback situation came in to play, with the Rams having Sam Bradford already in place, and the second overall draft choice if Fisher isn't sold on Bradford. The Dolphins could not compete with that.

Fisher is comfortable in the mid-west. It's where he lives now. He never planned to leave the mid-west, unless it was to return home to California. The Dolphins were a pawn in Fisher's negotiations with the Rams, plain and simple. Miami is not the first team to be used like that, and won't be the last.

Remember, the Dolphins snatched Bill Parcells from the Atlanta Falcons in 2007, despite the Falcons believing they were leading in the sweepstakes to land the football "czar."

Ross and Ireland did not lose Fisher. If anything, they made him think a little longer about not going to St. Louis. But, in the end, Fisher went to the place he wanted to go to in the first place. And, that decision has nothing to do with Ireland or Ross. That was Fisher's decision.

Maybe, with a front office that did not sell the farm to get Kyle Orton - who was benched for Tim Tebow, remember - actually can make decent decisions. Maybe, just maybe, there is a plan in place. But, just like the Army says - the enemy has a vote. Every plan changes as soon as you start to execute it, because the enemy gets to have input there too. There are unforeseen obstacles in the execution of every plan. Ross and Ireland are working their way through those obstacles right now.

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they really do have the Dolphins' best interests in mind. And, let's see what happens as the coaching search continues - rather than react with such emotion to every single piece of information, true or rumor, simply because we want change for change's sake.

--------------------------------------

We invite you to follow The Phinsider on Twitter, like The Phinsider on Facebook, and add The Phinsider to your Google+ Circles.

16 recs  |  81 comments

Comments

fart sound

queef sound

Who-the-hell-are-you?!
A troll I am guessing ;)
Don't feed the trolls
the question is....who are you????
He's the creepy uncle.
Thank You

perfectly said

I agree long winded but needed to be said.

If only others could have the common sense to understand it too…

Oh shit. Sound reasoning. What's next Rzayo chimes in?
Awesome. That is all.
but; it seemed obvious Ireland sold Sporano out

When it looked like change was needed. Ireland will do well to rid himself of the “yes man at the expense of all others tag”. The Phins should be a marquee team that noone can refuse; but poor management seems to be turning off the elite candidates.

Did u actually read the article?
I'm going to vote no...

No recount necessary

I demand a recount anyway.

Results: 1 vote for “No.”

Damn.

I vote yes....

just to argue

Your vote

goes into the Everglades!

fisher was an elite(?) candidate?

I be danm, nevfer saw this one comming. lol. Personally, Philbin could be considered a great prospect for HC, Fisher is just an average HC, if not below average.

It's because the FO didn't make the moves they wanted.

So they became upset and thought the FO was incompetent. We should’ve drafted Ryan over Long. We should’ve traded up in 2009 for Josh Freeman or have used our 25th pick on the next highest rated QB (Pat White, ooohhh yeah…). We should’ve drafted Ryan Mallett #15 overall last year. We shouldn’t have drafted Ginn in 2007. Oh, wasn’t Ross or Ireland? Well we still shouldn’t have done it so we’ll still blame them…

what are you talking about

Reason has no place with those people

F83 was joking(sarcastic i beleive lol)
i know

So was i

Nice! u got me on that one lol

So! at the end, not drafting Rodger was Ireland to blame

Jury is still out on Mallet.

I think he is going to be a beast if Brady ever gets injured. What we really should have done is picked him up when he was there in the 2nd instead of drafting a fucking RB after spending a good bit to bring Reggie Bush to town. I could forgive him, although I was a little miffed, passing on Mallet at 15, but to pass on him a 2nd time?? That was incredible value. Pouncey worked out, Kudos Ireland. But, how much has Daniel Thomas really contributed in the shadow of Reggie Bush?

Just to state, I’m still an Ireland supporter, but I think that was a big error on his part.

I think Reggie was (is?) considered a temporary solution

I believe (pure speculation) Bush was to make an immediate contribution while DT matured. Eventually, towards the end of the year and easing into next year, DT was to take over. I don’t think anyone expected Bush to take over the game, as he did, nor DT to be injured as much with that hamstring. So, the decision to pick up DT instead of Mallet did not take Bush into account for those reasons.

According to Bush, Sparano believed he was an every down back from the start.

I guess Ireland still had his trepidations.

Sporano is a coach

he has to believe in his players. plus, that was a good selling point to get him here. correct me if I’m wrong (I’m going off of memory), didn’t they only sign Bush to a two year contract though?

Yeah,

it was 2-year. I still don’t see passing on a potential franchise QB with Henne at the helm in order to pick a RB with a high pick as a good move.

Mallet wasn't a sure thing

We’re wasted lots of 2nd round picks on under performing QBs, so they decided to wait until this year (which was supposed to be QB rich). I suspect unleashing this beast of a RB fully next year alongside a new, top tier (first round) QB was the plan. By this point, Bush would either be backup, change of pace or trade bait. Not exactly to plan seeing as how the year played out, but I can see a case for it.

Special Agent Wisdom....

lol

mosul this might be one of the best post have read to date. nails the fans exactly.
Who are you?!
He's you...

from the future! dun dun dun

No. He's trying to be the next Anthony Muñoz.. lol
Wow great post

and really sums up what’s going on with Dolfans right now. It’s getting kind of pathetic really. Excellent post Mosul hopefully this will calm some people down a bit.

I think that Ego had a lot to do with this.

Ross, even though he was interviewing other people, really thought there was no way Fisher would go anywhere else. That is just the way a person with his business success thinks. And now…we have to hope that we get a good coach out of what is left. Let’s face it. Ross is going to have egg on his face until the Dolphins become relavent again. Unfortunately, we live in such a “Now Society”, we can’t help but look at this website each day for some gleam of hope. And by the way…..GO GET CHIP KELLY!!!!

Trust me- people with business succes never think they have a deal won before the dotted line is signed

Sometimes you lose even after the page is signed. Guys like Ross have had deals go bad 100s of times. I think Ross has done bone-headed things (honoring the opposing quarterback at halftime), I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt on this.

I agree

in fact because of his business know how he was out interviewing other coaches because he knew that it wasn’t a done deal and anything could have happened. Unlike the rams who waited two weeks before interviewing other coaches.

Really good article. Best one I've read on this website.

And I’m actually glad we don’t have fisher. One titans fan told me that he’s a good coach, just don’t let him anywhere near personnel.

Great article Mosul

This backs up the very point I made yesterday on the twitter2 post of coach search. I wish I knew how to link to the post. In any case, I agree with your assessment 100%. I wish more DolFans were open minded and patient.

Best write up so far. These beat writers are crying for nothing. We need to send them baby bottles. I’m waiting to see how this plays out. I like what Ross is doing. Ross has been a good owner so far. The media is pushing sour grapes non stories like their life’s depend on it.

Gotta disagree with the "good owner" blanket statement.

We lost our comparative early season home-field advantage because Ross thought Dolphins fans would be more likely to show up if it was cooler out, instead of realizing that Dolphins fans are more likely to show up if we WIN.

I disagree (and despise)

the decision to change the 1pm games. I also don’t think that makes him a bad owner. i hope those do come back into play though.

Initially it worked….

Yeah...

until we started losing early season games on the regular…

So now he’s trying to fix why we were losing…like it or not more fans want to go to late games. He’s proven that. Let’s not use 1 o clock games as a reason we are losing…our team was dead by the 4th quarter early in the season.

I can't say it's the reason we lose

but there is a definitely degree of advantage if you are accustomed to your rough weather and your opponent is not. 99° or 70°, if the team is winning, people will go to the game. Everyone wants to see/be around a winner.

no advantage if you are practicing in an air conditioned bubble !
tear that peice of shit down
No argument here

Unless it’s a hurricane, practice in the elements!

Rec'd

Thank you for the sanity. Much appreciated!

I dont understand!

Normally, the HC search become more aggresive went the season is over, because all the HC candidates are available. Was the hurry? The draft is in 100days lol

Great write up!!! I agree with everything.
lets all complain about the next buffoon

invited to have a cup of coffee with the organization,and dont forget Ross make that decaf we dont want him killing the team mascot.

One of the best things I have read, lately or even in a long time, when it comes to the FO in Miami.

Good post dude...

I know I’m one of the Ross bashers you are referring to (in general terms, not personally), for reasons you listed and many others you didn’t. I still think Ross is a bonehead, but at least you put some perspective on him and some of his decisions.

I’ve never lodged a single complaint about Ireland or the job he’s done.

Anyways, thanks for putting the time into the write up… nice work.

Oh my god this makes sense

(head explodes)

well said man!
About time!

I literally posted the same argument on a different website yesterday. I also added that matt moore was a good surprise. Who I believe is not long term but a good temp and is a respectable guy. Honestly reminds me of a more athletic Chad Pennington the dude is just a class act. If we don’t sell the farm for Luck which I honestly believe wont hurt us we give up 3 first rounders and 2 seconds ya were out of some firsts for a while and a few seconds. What do we need that free agency and mid to late round picks can’t cover? Guard (carl nicks) RT (the draft) there’s a good chance to find gems in the later rounds and IMO this FO evaluates later round talent with the best of them. A TE (jermichael finely) or the draft (Michael Eunuch from Missouri is a STUD, and will be around in the 3rd round) a pass rushers there’s some good depth in free agency and don’t count out now misi he had a sophomore slump and as mosul said let’s let these players develop. A WR ( there’s a great amount in FA, Vincent Jackson, Desean jackson, Robert meachum, marques colston, etc.) My point is like Marino said “if you believe that he’s your guy, that he’s what you’ve been looking for and will change your franchise” TAKE HIM! If luck is truly the next manning which I believe is true. I watched him live at the fiesta bowl and the dude is just so impressive game is flawless. All in all I feel that this FO is headed in the right direction. And I am an avid believer in Ireland! Love my Phins

The "Mayan-y" Dolphins?

…Sorry. I couldn’t resist given the topic.

me likey long time

never have truer words been spoken about a frustrated fan base.

7-9, 7-9, 6-10. You are what your record is.

I don’t have much problem with Ross yet. He is new to this and is hopefully learning from his misques. Ross wants to win and is willing to spend money. Ross is willing to go after what he wants. Weather it is owning a team or Getting a coach. He just needs to figure out how to close the deal.

Most everything else you have written here I don’t agree with.

Fantastic Article Mosul. Finally some reason with the whole picture in view instead of the typical knee-jerk hatred by so many on here.
I don't have a problem with Ross. I didn't have a problem with him going after Harbaugh last year even with Sparano still on the staff.

I think everything that Ross has tried to do since he became owner is to try and make the game day experience better for fans.

I think the messaging and spin is REALLY BAD in the organization right now. I think the fact that the GM doesn’t speak to the media is a problem. Ross is the owner, not a football guy, who shouldn’t be the face of the franchise answering football questions. That should be Ireland’s job.

My problem with Ireland is that he has been the GM for 3 consecutive losing seasons. The HC has been fired and the VP of Football Operations left, so it became OK to basically blame them for the really poor results the last 3 years. Nothing is Ireland’s fault to many and I just don’t buy that. Ireland is in the same category as Parcells and Sparano to me. He is just as much to blame as those other two for 3 shitty seasons.

Name another team, that hasn’t won anything of significance in more than a decade that would keep a GM: after 3 losing seasons, 10 consecutive loses, 12 of 13 loses at home, and a failure to find a Franchise QB? Matt Millen is the only one I can come up with.

I love this article

Not trying to plant my lips on your keister…but wow. You basically said everything I was thinking. I like Ross as an owner…he actually seems to have a personality…and to me…so what if he boasts about us going to the SB….at least he’s being positive about the Fins…and who knows…maybe some of that swagger will trickle down to the players.

This article has been a pleasure to read…unlike your misguided articles about coahces who have won a SB and are likely to win another one….or something along those lines….

haha I kid I kid again….

First time posting in a while
Guys are we drafting a QB in the first round?

because if we don’t I’ll be highly upset.

If we don't move up (for RGIII)

I’d prefer we don’t draft Tannehill just for the sake of taking a QB in the first round

About time!

I literally posted the same argument on a different website yesterday. I also added that matt moore was a good surprise. Who I believe is not long term but a good temp and is a respectable guy. Honestly reminds me of a more athletic Chad Pennington the dude is just a class act. If we don’t sell the farm for Luck which I honestly believe wont hurt us we give up 3 first rounders and 2 seconds ya were out of some firsts for a while and a few seconds. What do we need that free agency and mid to late round picks can’t cover? Guard (carl nicks) RT (the draft) there’s a good chance to find gems in the later rounds and IMO this FO evaluates later round talent with the best of them. A TE (jermichael finely) or the draft (Michael Eunuch from Missouri is a STUD, and will be around in the 3rd round) a pass rushers there’s some good depth in free agency and don’t count out now misi he had a sophomore slump and as mosul said let’s let these players develop. A WR ( there’s a great amount in FA, Vincent Jackson, Desean jackson, Robert meachum, marques colston, etc.) My point is like Marino said “if you believe that he’s your guy, that he’s what you’ve been looking for and will change your franchise” TAKE HIM! If luck is truly the next manning which I believe is true. I watched him live at the fiesta bowl and the dude is just so impressive game is flawless. All in all I feel that this FO is headed in the right direction. And I am an avid believer in Ireland! Love my Phins

Great write up! Highly rec'd

Don’t blame ireland, the talent was there for atleast ten wins this season. Our schedule has been tough but will let up next year. Next head coach, hopefully Philbin, is going to have a winning season fall into his lap. Just hope we can attract a good DC.

We didn't get Fisher for the same reasons we didn't get Harbaugh.

Harbaugh didn’t even have to move out of his home to coach the 49ers and he doesn’t have to play NE twice.Plus he came in with high draft picks and a top rated QB
Fisher was tied to Rams already and he doesn’t have to play NE twice. Plus he came in with high draft picks and a top rated QB.
I’m pulling for Ross and Ireland to hit the jackpot, not trashing him and my favorite team.

if fisher said he wasn't comfortable with Ireland running personnel, but is perfectly fine letting another GM run personnel, what does that say about Ireland.

My doom and gloom feeling, yes I admit doom and gloom, is that the coaches Miami are to bring do not look like theyll work out. Non of them seem to have good head coach creditentiols, what set of staff will they being in? And Ross doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing. If he’s calling the football shots right now, well we all know he’s not a football man. And if he’s bot calling them, who is? Scary thoughts

Fisher

also gets to basically pick the GM, probably one he won’t have to argue with in case of discrepancy. Maybe that says more about Fisher than the Phins.

One excellent point made by the article....

Glad the farm wasn’t traded away for Orton because at least now we have picks to trade if we intend to go after RG3.

You must Login with your SB Nation account and be a member of The Phinsider to post a comment.