It's been a long, tough road over the past few months. We've shared blood, sweat, and tears together. Really? Ok not so much, but it sounded cool enough. Unfortunatey, everything must come to an end. This will likely be the final post. Oh, am I leaving the Phinsider? Nope! It's just that Miami's Head Coach is expected to be hired by Friday. You guys thought you could get rid of me that easily. Well, for a $20 bill in Mosul's pocket you probably could be rid of me (can't you at least make it $25 Mosul?), but that's another story.
The Dolphins will bring Mike McCoy, Joe Philbin, and Todd Bowles back for second interviews. Philbin is expected to interview today. McCoy and Bowles will interview tomorrow. Instead of doing a final coaching profile, I will instead gauge the opinion of The Phinsider crowd.
McCoy wasn't a very popular candidate with Dolphin fans and some may not have known who he was when he was first mentioned. His offense wasn't very impressive under Kyle Orton or Tim Tebow and he never did get much from Matt Moore during their time in Carolina. However, he's a well respected coach that gets John Fox's endorsement and he deserves credit for adapting Denver''s offense to Tebow.
Bowles is a name most know because he was already on Miami's coaching staff. He's another well respected coach and has interviewed for Head Coaching jobs in the past few years. So far it seems many Dolphin fans would prefer him to stay as DC instead of being Miami's Head Coach. That could be a possibility.
Philbin was the most popular candidate and was being discussed even before Tony Sparano was fired. Some don't prefer him because Mike McCarthy called plays in Green Bay. Many reports out there indicate he'd like to bring Tom Clements with him as OC if he was hired.
I think I have a feeling in how this poll would go. I feel many would prefer Philbin at HC, Clements at OC, and Bowls at DC. Still, I'm going to throw it out there. Which of the three candidates would you prefer?
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Deja Vu
I want Philbin as hc Clements as oc and Bowles as dc
Phinsphana - January 18, 2012
i dont see bowles staying in Miami
without the HC job. The only way i see him staying otherwise to to go back to being assistant head coach and to take over DC. But i dont see that happening.
Phinphinatic - January 18, 2012
I said I want this to happen
If prior experience of my life shows. You can’t always get what you want
Phinsphana - January 18, 2012
Ain't that the truth....
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
usually
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
Unless one pays for it.....
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
I got 3 bucks
What will that get me?
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
... a swift kick in the ass.
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
You know
I might just like that. Past life in the military does that for you.
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
At least you can say, you wanted it and bought it.
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
That's right
And then I would have gotten what I wanted.
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
I think I agree with you. I think he would prefer to be the HC in Miami...but something tells me that if he doesnt get hired...
He’s off to Oakland or Indy. That’s just based on a feeling…but…I dunno….anyone else agree?
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
IF he's actually offered the job
I think he’d leave. Gotta be offered it first though. That’s where my doubt lies…
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
ehh...I don't think he'll (Bowles) even be offered the job.
I think the FO and owner are look more towards an offensive minded coach. As such…I really think he won’t be around to be our DC.
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
I tend to agree
Ross promised an explosive offense. I may be wrong but I don’t expect that from Bowles.
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
Exactly.
I mean…I could see a well known defensive minded coach bring in a good offensive minded coach…but we don’t have that as candidates right now. We’re working with 2 O’s and one D.
Like you said…Ross said one thing…ofc…he’s said ALOT of things…lol…but I think this is the year he actually tries to follow through with something he can control….unlike going to the SB.
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
But surely if Philbin comes here GB may promote Clements?
Then we’ll have a non-QB head coach. I still voted Philbin though.
BahamaDolfan - January 18, 2012
I only voted for bowles
becuase i dont think this team needs a big shake up. And our defense needs to be left alone and not switched all up and junk.
Phinphinatic - January 18, 2012
Me too....
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
No idea .... i don't really know these guys
I liked the Zimmer idea or even Schottenheimer (marty).
Is Dick LeBeau not available not interested or just not a candidate? Curious – as I am a fan of his.
guys I voted for Joe Philbin in the survey above – but honestly i just don;t know enough about any of these guys to make a bold statement of who would be the best fir. I guess at this point that’s what Ireland is here for and I find that extremely comforting (cough cough).
scrappy the wildcat - January 18, 2012
Isn't Dick on his last legs?
I think he is…I read somewhere(don’t ask me where)…that he’s starting to feel his age. I doubt he wants to spend his old age as a HC. I think he’d rather be with a championship caliber team
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
So what's old... dick or legs?
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
….I just….don’t know what to say to this…..
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
lolol
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
McCoy is horrible and Philbin needs time to morn
I lost my mom right before starting my first semester of a true university, it sucked but I did well, if I lost one of my sons it would destroy me. Philbin needs to take a year off, he maybe an excellent coach choice but not this year, McCoy is a horrible offensive coordinator he did horrible in Denver, wow he made a sub par running back a even worse sub par qb, he would destroy our team
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Philbin is a grown man, if he needed the time off he would take it. Perhaps he wants something to take his mind off that situation instead of sitting at home for a year and dwelling on it.
PhinNoir - January 18, 2012
I think it's this!
It’s been said different people mourn in different ways. Maybe he needs a job that will take his mind off of things.
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
I disagree...
Everybody grieves in their own way. If Philbin loves football then let him do what he loves to do whether it’s in Miami or Green Bay. Let him and his family make their own decisions.
SoxDolphin - January 18, 2012
The issue is when grieving you do not think clearly.
fsu_csu - January 19, 2012
who are you to say how someone should grieve
Philbin is a grown man, and can decide for himself how he is to grieve. People grieve in different ways. If Philbin uses his loss as motivation, who are you to say that he is grieving wrong?
AnishB15 - January 19, 2012 via mobile
How is that for you to say?
texascowpunk - January 19, 2012
If you guys have kids great...
But just the notion of that magnitude as much as he grieves as yes he’s a grown man you can only delay for so long. It will be a mistake to get him right now
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Although I want Philbin
I think the FO will think along these line and they will go with McCoy. He is the hot thing in the NFL, has the look, and fits the “young Don Shula” type Ross referred to in the presser. I will remain skeptical until he proves to me he knows what he is doing.
Neo - January 18, 2012
McCoy is just a coy
If you loom at the offense it was dead last this year he is just riding the popularity of Tebow, and people do not seem to understands his offenses have been horrible.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
people do not seem to understands his offenses have been horribl
O, I understand it completely
Neo - January 18, 2012
Why is McCoy the hot commodity....
His offenses have been low scoring…he worked well with Tebow but maybe it was more Tebow than McCoy…if we get McCoy we probably will not get Flynn, RGIII may be too much of a reach, we have lost Nolan….2012 could be rough!
With Philbin we may get his QB coach as well, may get Flynn (familiar with each other = success)….don’t need to trade up…ho improve our Line, get a TE and another good receiver & our offense rocks!
MassFinFan65 - January 18, 2012
Why is McCoy the hot commodity....
IDK, I don’t get it either
Neo - January 18, 2012
It Tebow
He took his offense catered it too the way Tebow played won some game against gimp trams and went to the playoff and beat a gimp steelers teams.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Its got to be
But the offense wasn’t scoring any points.
Neo - January 18, 2012
Exactly
fsu_csu - January 19, 2012
Run style offenses
Always score low points. It’s a strategy more about controlling time and taking advantage of your opportunities while limiting the opponent’s with your defense. They don’t want games to become shootouts because they won’t usually win.
PhinNomenol! - January 19, 2012 via Android app
The problem with this thought train is you are projecting yourself into his situation.
We do not know the relationship he had with his son. Nor do we, as mentioned before, know how Joe Philbin grieves.
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
It's still a tragic event that I fore see will effect our team if we hire him
He will either leave his contract during the summer or are season will suffer. There was a report about relocating to just get a change of pace. That could be read as he wants just time. It’s hard not to take the chance to be HC of a job but he needs time. Rushing this choice with the magnitude of the that tradgedy just can spell doom
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
It's possible but I suspect that Joe
would be able to determine what he needs most. Once again, you are projecting you into the situation.
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
No its been studied, the greater amount of stress more likely to make dumb decisions.
A HC job is hard not to take and greater with a historic franchise, HC jobs are incredible stressful add to tragic death of your son with legal issues there just a lot on one plate. That can cause major issues. II think he is looking at it as a way to escape but I think headed down the road he will realize its way touch then leave the dolphins
fsu_csu - January 19, 2012
Philbin
I want a offensive mind so that rules out Bowles (even though I wouldn’t mind him as DC). I never have and don’t understand the whole “McCoy movement” sweeping the NFL. I don’t see him being that good.
Philbin hasn’t been calling the plays, but he knows that offense, and he brings that aggressive offense to SB (along with Flynn) there is no learning curve and we are ready to roll. That is if Philbin actually knows what he is doing and not a Cam Cameron type.
Neo - January 18, 2012
Agree Neo!
I don’t feel we are dealing with a strong list of candidates….I feel passing on Zimmer was a mistake but who knows….my vote is for Philbin> gives us the most hope and chance at a good offense!
MassFinFan65 - January 18, 2012
Yea
So much of wanting to interview coaches in the playoffs. I’m getting real tired of the FO lying through the media.
Neo - January 18, 2012
Both Philbin and McCoy
were candidates in the playoffs
(unless you thought they meant HC in the playoffs).
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
We had interviewed them already though whe he said that
I thought he meant other coaches that he hadn’t interviewed. Misunderstanding on my part must have been
Neo - January 18, 2012
It's tough to say because there are pros n cons for all these coaches
But if I had to choose I think I’m keeping Bowles as hc. We keep insisting on bringing in an off guru type hc but I think dabol did a great job as our oc. As dolfans we’ve been critical of these front office for not bringing in an off mind n now we finally do but we still wanna get rid of him. Let’s keep some continuity n roll with this guys.
drey34 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Philbin (HC), Bowles (DC)
and hopefully we hold on to Daboll and he and Philbin work together to create a scheme that is unique to our talent (both present and developing). But if we have to lose Daboll, I guess I’d be ok with Mr C.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
If anyone besides Bowles
Give them one year deal with incentives, if they do not meet the standards then look next year when more caches will be avaible.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Coaches*
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
no new head coach will accept being a lame-duck coach in their first year
#1Heatfan - January 18, 2012
True but we can't sign a CPA http a big deal...
If they just suck, With Fisher we knew what we were getting with Phulbin, I think his mind will be else where and we will suck McCoy is riding the wave a Tebow and sucks, both Philbin and McCoy has a chance of being the dolphins version of McDaniels. I do not trust dumb and dumber to make a sound logical coaching decision so quickly. This needs to be well thought out and two of the. Seem to be rash decisions going off of popularity not work, though Philbin work is better then McCoy I just think his mind won’t be in it.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
A coach deserves time to develop his team, get a roster he is comfortable with, and develop talent around him.
A one year turn around creates an atmosphere where you are basically judged off your predecessor’s team. Plus with limited cap space, he only has so much room to change the roster. You can’t let sky high expectations delude the ability to exercise rationale.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Dolphins need to win NOW
That is why Fisher was hot. He has been head coach before had success teams knew what he was about. But we need a winning team, we can’t have another sub par season with a sub par team we need to put in place a winning minded culture and having another sub par season will once again make us laughing stocks. We have a great tradition of being a team other team fears, now we are looked at as an easy W for teams. We need that to change we need a Head Coach that will win right away and we need a QB that can be a leader and be elite.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
If you can't temper your expectations
you’ll ALWAYS be calling for someone’s job and no sense on continuity will ever grow. That’s why most coaches get a contract of (and give a plan of) three to four years. it is not as easy as a snap of the figure to go from mediocre to elite in one year.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Why?
I would rather build a team that will win for years to come than to make the mistake in “trying” to put a team together to will now. Too short sighted and usually doesn’t work.
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
So both of you want more loosing season?
Having a bad coach can set you back for years. Getting a new coach sign one year contract with a lot of incentives meaning do this get $$$ do this get more $$$$ show you can go to the playoffs sign a longer contract next year. If you were given a prime job with a year contract with great performance the chance for a longer contract you would work your ass off.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Ain't gonna happen...................... ever.
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
I don't have those type of incentives in my job
And I work my ass off.
Look, no one here wants any more losing seasons unless there’s some jets trolls hanging out. And I agree that getting the wrong coach can set you back years, look at our recent history. However, if you go into this thinking that you have to win it all now you can also set the team back years. We have tried it and it didn’t work. You can’t just buy a winning season. you have to build it. You have to have good coaching, good talent and just as important if not more, good chemistry. That is not built over night.
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
No, both of us understand reality
You could try to BUY a winning team, but that doesn’t usually work either.
(ask the Eagles.)
teams need time to gel, coaches need time to assemble the team they envision usually. You get the best out of someone once you get to know strengths and weaknesses. If you want to go on straight record, Fisher’s .54 winning percentage puts us at around 9-7. Not exactly a playoff lock.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Coaching trio
Goon305Boy10 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
how about this?
HC: Philbin
OC: Daboll or the QB coach in GB
DC: Spagnuolo
QB: Matt Flynn
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Matt Flynn had one good game
I would not waste time with that flavor of the month.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
of course i understand that
And if you look at my sig, I would much rather get RGIII than flynn, but he is the most likely QB if we bring philbin, and expecially if we bring in the Green Bay QB coach as our OC. And flynn has had two AMAZING games, not one good one. He went head to head in a shootout with brady last year, and held his own, losing by only a field goal. He also had a record breaking game against the lions this year. So, in both of his starts thus far, he has played at a level higher than anything we have seen here in miami since marino retired (except for Pennington and feidler at times).
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Flynn has shown potential
His passes were surgical in the games he played. He looked comfortable in the pocket. He made good decisions. I wouldn’t mind taking a chance on him. I’d prefer RGIII, but I wouldn’t be mad at Flynn.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
One game is not potential
Get Manning… Then look at a qb in late rounds.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Two games
And yes, that is POTENTIAL. I didn’t say he is great, but he showed potential. What can you point to in his game to indicate he is not worth considering?
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
We need great not potential it been almost thirty years since outlast super bowl apperance we need to be demanding excellence
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
I demand excellence!!
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
trouble maker!
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
Ahh...
So you are saying we need to trade up to get Luck then right?
The Earl - January 18, 2012
I demand Lucky excellence!!
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
that';s what German cat houses are for!...lol....hahaha I kid I kid
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
no, he wants another retread with peyton manning
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Fisher
In his first full year as coach of the Titans had a record of…
wait for it….
7-9
Sound familiar?
By your reasoning, the very coach you are lobbying that we should have gotten would be fired by you for not performing in his first year. Oh, and they were THIRD in their division, so not even a wildcard hope.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Great point! Better yet, what have RGIII or Luck done as a pro to warrant trading up for them?
He seems as solid a prospect as those two to me.
mjams - January 18, 2012 via mobile
AS for Manning
Do you even know what condition his neck/spine will be in when the season starts? If he is in playing condition, don’t you think the Colts would keep him if at all possible? You’ve seen two more games with Flynn (or at least most of us have) than has been seen of Peyton after a critical surgery.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Manning is a great QB he I'll do fine
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Great QB does not excuse him from the realities of life
It’s a reality that once you start messing with the neck/spine, there is a possibility you will NEVER be the same. One I’ll placed hit and he could be back out for the season, ASSUMING he can even return to his old form. Remember, he didn’t even think he’d miss a single game, but he wasn’t healing properly. Then it was thought he’d be back in December… but he wasn’t healed enough to do so.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
you sir, are blind
He may be a great qb, but how does that relate at ALL to his health. If you want to compare flynn to feeley (which you can’t really do because we traded for feeley, while flynn is a free agent), then you can compare manning to chad pennington. He gives us a few good years, but his body can’t take it and he retires quickly.
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Flynn first several starts he threw more interceptions thentd and I believe lost
fsu_csu - January 19, 2012
what the hell
He has only started 2 games, and he had more TDs than INTs in both. Use some facts, do some research bud.
AnishB15 - January 19, 2012 via mobile
No, that is not accurate at all
His first start, 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
Second start, 6 TDs and 2 INTs.
He also has two games where he did not start, only threw a few passes.
Career record is 9 TDs and 5 INTs
PhinNomenol! - January 19, 2012 via Android app
From what I understand....Daboll is on his way out also.
Although I deff want him to stay…what people have said (with a new HC change comes a completely different staff)…..I doubt he stays. The only way I see him staying is if the new HC is young and doesn’t have the connections to pull in a somewhat respected offensive mind…
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
lol @ "somewhat respected offensive mind"
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
well it's not like McCoy is gonna pull in a Sean Payton or Carmichael....or whoever else is out there....
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
:: sigh ::
I enjoyed Daboll’s offense. Exciting, explosive. He just needed better plays inside the ten in the redzone.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
very true. I'm no expert when it comes to to the X's and O's...
but it really gets to me that we suck THAT bad in the redzone
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
Redzone troubles
was really the cause of a lot of issues. We settled for quite a few fist pumps because we didn’t have effective plays for the short distance touchdown.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
I love of many of you trash McCoy for Denver's offense this season, completely disregarding the fact that he had 2 deal with a FB playing QB.
I obviously voted for McCoy. He’s clearly the best candidate for the job of the 3 names mentioned. Here’s why:
1- Former QB. Expirence leading men. Could possiby develop a QB of the future.
2- Only candidate of the 3 who has expirience calling plays. Why is that important? Because it shows that he has expirience adjusting to a defense on the fly during a game. Say what you will about Philbin and the Packers high powered offense, but Mike McCarthy is the one calling the plays and it’s his offense.
3- What he was able to do with Tebow this season and completely change Denver’s scheme mid-season to fit Tebow’s strengths (the option) is incredible. Tebow gets all the credit, but McCoy saved Denver’s season! It shows that he is willing to adjust his scheme around his players strengths the same way Harbaugh did with Alex Smith in San Fransisco.
4- Expirience. Though he’s only 39 yrs old, he has been coaching 10+ years and has quickly risen up the coaching ranks. He has a bright future as a head coach.
I should also mention that he was OC in Denver during Kyle Orton’s 2 best years as a pro and during those 2 seasons, his offenses were ranked in the top half of the league. This season, with Tebow at QB the Broncos were #1 in the NFL in rushing and McCoy resurrected Willis McGahee’s career. Hands down, McCoy should be our head coach.
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Well.. damn it. That's why I'm confused. Yes, McCoy is good.. very good.
Tho I voted for Bowles, cause of Nolan leavig, continuity, and familiarity with the team and players.
I’m glad I’m not in this business.. nor drafting.
Whew.
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
Oh ya! He was also QB in Carolina during Jake Dehllome's best years as a pro as well.
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Can Tebow come along? lol
PAPHIN4ever - January 19, 2012 via mobile
I don't want another Larry Coker coaching in Miami.
PASS!
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
When did he coach the Dolphins?
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
You don't need facts
This is a blog Dammit
Phinsphana - January 18, 2012
... and which of the three candidates is he talking about?
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
.......no f'ing clue
Phinsphana - January 18, 2012
See.
We need facts.
[we need reason, we need clues, we need common sense]
lol
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
I was being sarcastic since Joe Philbin looks a lot like Larry Coker....
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
LOL! I knew it was a gest of some sort. Good one.
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
hahaha...getit....he's a coker...ohhh such a knee slapper....I crack myself up!!!!
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
You're a funny guy....
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
my wife says I'm funny looking....I think that's what makes me a funny guy...aaaahhhahahaha
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
I voted Philbin...
Partly because he’s the popular vote, partly because I think he’ll have the drive to put everything into the team trying to keep busy from tragedy, and partly because he was involved with a damn good team and I’m sure he had some part of it regardless of plays called.
Finhead…..have you tired contacting the cheesehead nation to see what they think of him?
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
rather then
think of him…but more…what have THEY seen him do…
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
We've sucked for so long the majority of you are settling fr sub-par
This is the dolphins the only team to go undefeated we had the greatest QB in history with out a ring and he is often talked as a top qb that have won rings, we had Thomas and Taylor two hall of famers just to name a few we had the greatest coach of all time. We need to state WE WANT EXCELLENCE if a coach can not win he’s not worth it. If a player can’t tackle run or catch they’re not worth it. If a QB isn’t a leader he’s not worth it . If this year is not 10-6 at the lowest then the players/coaches/owners are not worth it
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
dafuq?
Take a look at the panthers. They are 6-10, so you are saying they should fire everyone?
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
So...
Assuming we win the division at 9-7, and go deep into the playoffs… The owners, coaches, coordinators and players are ALL fired because we didn’t go 10-6 or better? That’s defining success.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
We should demand double digit wins. Anything lower is sub par. Panther do not have the tradition like the ol pins.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
who gives a shit about tradition?
Our tradition is 40+ yrs old. We don’t have tradition anymore. We aren’t the packers or steelers.
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Agreed
I keep trying to say the same thing lol
Little Nicky 21 - January 18, 2012 via Android app
What do the Packers and Steelers have in tradition?
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
Super bowls in multiple decades?
Little Nicky 21 - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Oh that's a tradition?
What about the Patriots? Colts?
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
They only got successful recently
By tradition, I meant teams that are always contenders, and always were contenders.
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
I thought it was something that was handed down... generation to generation?
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
That thought process
will always have your team looking for a coach, GM, or whoever else you choose to blame.
FAIL!
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
I find it amusing that so many people are against McCoy
Does any one stop to think that maybe he is very good at adapting his offense to fit the personnel? Everyone wants to bring up Tebow and Denver’s offense. But at least McCoy adapted his offense to fit Tebow and the personnel there. We saw what happened when Sparano tried to put a square peg into a round hole. He tried to turn Henne in CP10 and it took him half a season before he stopped calling up the middle runs with Bush every run. Could you imagine how bad the Broncos would have been if McCoy stubbornly tried to run New England’s or New Orleans’ offense with Tebow? McCoy molded his offense to fit Tebow’s strengths and mask his weaknesses. Of course, no one thinks about that, because they only look superficially.
Plus you have to mention that McCoy has worked with Delhomme, Moore, Orton, and Tebow. That’s not exactly a who’s who of QBs there. In fact, that’s a terrible slate of QBs. With the exception of Tebow, who could still develop into a decent QB, there’s not one QB there who wouldn’t get benched for a 1st round rookie. I would imagine that McCoy’s first order of business would be to get a new QB to work with and develop, since he’s only had to work with garbage most of his career.
The Earl - January 18, 2012
I would bet...
McCoy is a finalist mainly because has worked with Matt Moore and this way the Dolphins can stick with Moore and not invest anything into a quarterback. It only took McCoy until the first round of the playoffs to find out that Tebow could throw the deep ball. Philbin is the only one who gives us a shot at competing at the same level of the Patriots. McCoy is going to keep us in the same league as the Jets, we won’t even sniff the playoffs.
SoxDolphin - January 18, 2012
Actually everyone knew Tebow could throw it deep
In fact, that’s one thing that people were questioning about Pittsburgh’s gameplan
To think that McCoy is the leading candidate because he worked with Moore before is silly. McCoy wants a legit QB, not another backup. And if you think Philbin is going to make us contenders, you have to realize that he will bring
A.J. FeeleyMatt Flynn with him. You know, the guy with 2 career starts, but everyone suddenly thinks he’s going to become the next Tom Brady. We will be back in the same boat 3 years from now when Flynn ultimately fails and we failed to draft a legit QB again.The Earl - January 18, 2012
I agree with you on McCoy. I think he is a very good candidate and the negativity is unfair.
However I think you are overlooking things as to LeBeau’s gameplan against Denver and to what he was trying to do. Granted it didn’t work and with hindsight LeBeau no doubt regrest some of the decisions he made, however the gameplan makes perfect sense. Coming into the game he decided that he was A.) not going to under any circumstances allow Tebow to get out of the pocket and B.) contest every throw and condense the field tightening Tebows windows. So he ran lots of single-high and Cover 1 looks with press man on the outsides. The single high coverage, coupled with man defense freed up players who he could implement in pressure scheme, especially on the outsides to squeeze the option and Tebows space to manoeuvre. It also allowed him to do spy things on occasion and zone defense underneath on occasion.
His thought logic was IMO, squeeze the field with press, combined with pressure scheme and an extra man in the box and Tebow will be unable to burn us out of the pocket and make throws into tight windows (from the pocket). What happaned though is that thee Broncos got seperation against the man coverage, and not just Thomas on Ike Taylor, and they made big plays. The deep ball is really the only throw Tebow excels at fro mthe pocket IMO.
With hindsight LeBeau would have approached it differently but I thought the plan made perfect sense at the time.
civwarbuff - January 18, 2012
Does any one stop to think that maybe he is very good at adapting his offense to fit the personnel?
He probably “adapted” the offense to Tebow, but they still weren’t scoring any points! So I don’t know why everyone is getting hard over “he adapted the offense to Tebow”. Brag about that if they were lighting up the scoreboard. Not when the offense seems to be riding the defense until they score at the end.
Neo - January 18, 2012
lol @ "So I don’t know why everyone is getting hard"
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
Im not getting...I was already....lol
funny man strikes again….wait…what?
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
You know
Alpha has that affect on some people.
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
Maybe they weren't scoring points because Denver's offensive players were just THAT bad
What’s going to happen when Philbin gets here? He’ll have the high powered offensive gameplan. What he won’t have is the plethora of WRs that GB has, or the receiving threat TEs that GB has, and more importantly, the QB that GB has. I’m sorry, but I’m not sold on
A.J. FeeleyMatt Flynn and his two starts.I’m not saying I’m sold on McCoy or Philbin. But to say that McCoy was to blame for Denver’s lack of scoring would be misleading. He’s not the one out there throwing incompletions or dropping passes.
The Earl - January 18, 2012
. But to say that McCoy was to blame for Denver’s lack of scoring would be misleading
Or not. Go over to the Denver site and see how much are gonna be missing him if he leaves.
Neo - January 18, 2012
A lot, I hear.
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
BTW
I think our WRs can be just as good as GBs if they have a comparable QB throwing to them. You aren’t sold on Flynn, I like him.
Neo - January 18, 2012
The kid has 2 starts
One was a loss and both teams had terrible secondaries. So he plays well against some crappy defenses and suddenly he’s the next franchise QB. I’m pretty sure A.J. Feeley looked like a good QB once too.
I find it funny that people are actually thinking that we’ll bring Flynn in as “competition” for Matt Moore. Right… that massive contract he’ll sign just screams “competition”. You might as well figure at least the same contract as Kevin Kolb, maybe even larger. That means he’s the starter. That also means that we won’t be able to cut him or trade him and his ridiculous contract when he inevitably leads us to 8-8 in the next 2 seasons. Of course by then, some other team’s backup will have a few good games and we’ll talk ourselves into that guy and continue being an also-ran.
The Earl - January 18, 2012
So true
Little Nicky 21 - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Same argument I made earlier
I agree with ya, The Earl
(i swear, it sounds like you MUST refer to yourself in the 3rd person)
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
I was given that nickname
You can just call me Duke… everyone else does.
The Earl - January 18, 2012
The question is....are you John Wayne or Duke Nukem??
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
LOL... Its a reference to the song "Duke of Earl"
The Earl - January 18, 2012
In my head, I read
The Earl will permit you to call him Duke.
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
LOL... I can assure you that I do not refer to myself in the third person
The Earl - January 18, 2012
But you did refer to yourself in the forth person that one time. It was just awkward.
texascowpunk - January 18, 2012
But you have to admit, that takes mad skills
The Earl - January 18, 2012
But it was mostly you talking about you talking about yourself. It was weird.
texascowpunk - January 18, 2012
I completely agree with you Earl.
I find it so amusing how McCoy is getting all the blame for Denver’s passing offense while Tebow gets all the credit for leading the Broncos to the playoffs even though he threw just 10 passes per game. Does anyone stop to wonder why McCoy called just 10 passing plays for Tebow. Its cause his inability to throw the football consistently. McCoy built the offense around Tebow’s strengths and covered up his weaknesses. If Denver would have tried to run a regular offense with Tebow at QB, they would have the #1 pick in the draft….
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
I don't really want McCoy as HC, but it's not because of how Denver played
McCoy is a student of John Fox. I’ve watched enough of Fox here in Carolina to know that we don’t want that offense. Philbin would be a much better choice in terms of offensive scheme, but I don’t want Flynn as part of that deal. We need to draft a QB, not sign another team’s backup to a massive contract. If we can get Philbin without Flynn, then I’d be OK with that.
The Earl - January 18, 2012
I see your point. But I'm not so sure Philbin, outside of installing the Packers offensive scheme, has what it takes to be a successful head coach.
Can he lead men? I need to see it. Can he develop a QB? His expertise is the O-line, so I’m not so sure. Is he really the reason for Aaron Rodgers success? I really don’t think so. I think McCoy is much more suited to be a head coach. I love the Packers offensive scheme, but unless he’s bringing Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley, Greg Jennings, and Aaron Rodgers with him… PASS.
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
I also agree about the leadership thing
Then again no one would have thought Sparano would have been a good leader, but that was his best quality. Wasn’t Philbin the assistant HC in GB?
The Earl - January 18, 2012
No Winston Moss is assistant HC
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Oh that's right... thank you
The Earl - January 18, 2012
And Sparano had expience as a HC in college
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
... and Linebackers coach.
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
Has anyone actually seen Philbin say he wants to take Flynn with him?
Frankly, if he’s worth being a head coach, he should know perfectly well that a QB with 2 starts doesn’t deserve franchise QB money. I’ve seen plenty of people on this board hyperventilate over Flynn, but nobody else is.
PNSter - January 19, 2012
Of course your not unhappy about it though
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
reply fail
This was supposed to go under Alpha’s comment
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
Serves you right. (Karma) For trying to dis the Great Alpha.
Coker joker.
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
hehehehehe
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
(Standing in corner pouting)
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
That just turns Alpha on
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
And his monkey
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
there is very little that doesnt turn alpha on
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
The monkey says he wants to visit you....
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
Come on Alpha
We’ll jump in the car and take the monkey to Anish
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
Philbin for me
McCoy would get my 2nd place vote. Bowles as a DC only.
DolphinNation - January 18, 2012
agreed
Phinsphana - January 18, 2012
apparently, bowles seems to be out of contention
Ross wants philbin, ireland wants McCoy. Let’s see who wins, owner or GM? My bets on owner, ross could fire ireland any time he wants. Check fanshots for link.
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Link???
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
again
Check fanshots, its on there
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
oh...okies...headed there now
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
I gotta say...I just saw the video....
Thanks for pointing me there. I usually live in the fanshots…but tonight I was preoccupied with Alpha…
I was kinda wonder if there was any news on the HC front.
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
preoccupied doing WHAT with alpha?
Did he release the monkey on you?
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
So that's why Alpha has that big smile on his face.
Come on Alpha, spill the beans?
Miamimaniac - January 18, 2012
No need...I'll supply the pics....once I edit them
tuscanitunr x2 - January 18, 2012
Oh Boy
I can hardly waitMiamimaniac - January 18, 2012
sarcasm
it's what makes this world greatPhinsphana - January 18, 2012
The only knock against that defensive guy (forgot his name)
I want an aggressive offense oriented mind running the show since that’s where we are lacking
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Quick question:
What has become of Carmichael Jr. from the Saints?
ryan.benker - January 18, 2012
Either he's a surprise candidate that we haven't heard about
or the team isn’t interested.
The Earl - January 18, 2012
this
The team hasn’t shown much interest in him.
AnishB15 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
The Phins were to interview him and then decided not to. Not sure of the reasoning behind it.
texascowpunk - January 18, 2012
rotoworld is reporting that McCoy took his name out of consideration for the Raiders job, and is focusing on the Dolphins opening...hmmm
FinzD54 - January 18, 2012
he believe's he is the front runner
WRONG!!! Paid for by the committee to get Philbin as head coach
Phinsphana - January 18, 2012
Dang it!
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Look at what McCoy did with a real qb then tell me if you want him
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
tell when he's ever had a real QB
The Earl - January 18, 2012
He's had Matt Moore, that's a start.
Moore is doing better without McCoy than he did with.
Finhead83 - January 18, 2012
Matt Moore never started while McCoy was in Carolina. That's why he's putting up better numbers without McCoy, cause with McCoy he had no numbers. LOL
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Oh I'm not saying I want to sign McCoy
But he’s also never had a good QB to work with. When Matt Moore is the best QB you have worked with, you haven’t worked with good QBs.
The Earl - January 18, 2012
Lol
No, seriously
LOLOLOL
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
I can't tell if you laughing with me or at me...
The Earl - January 18, 2012
If you are laughing....
With you.
If you are not, well…
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
oh ok... lol
The Earl - January 18, 2012
But seriously,
The Matt Moore part was hilarious
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
Are you seriously calling Tebow a real QB?
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
in the for-ha-ha-ha-ha
I almost could defend him without laughing
Phinsphana - January 18, 2012
LOL
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
No, Orton
Who does great with run to pass offenses but decided to pass pass pass
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Orton sucks
The Earl - January 18, 2012
For the QBs Denver had since elway he was the second best
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
that's not saying much
The Earl - January 18, 2012
Jay cutler would like to disagree
Little Nicky 21 - January 18, 2012 via Android app
You mean the qb that Chicago told to stop throwing
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Orton's 2 best seasons were under Mike McCoy as offensive coordinator
You’re making my point! LMAO!
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
How...
McCoy made a sub – par offense and made it THE WORST OFFENSE IN THE NFL with Orton he constantly had him throw when he needed to run then throw and Orton second best year broncos till had a sub- par offense. That makes McCoy shit you are an idiot to think shit is great. The broncos want to get rid of McCoy they want to keep the rest besides McCoy
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Look for the #1 draft spot in the 2013 draft if we hire McCoy
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
that = Matt Barkley
I could deal with that. At least we’d have the top pick in the draft. Can’t be any worse than finishing 6-10.
The Earl - January 18, 2012
And what was your position on winning games after we went 1-7 through the first half of the season? All of those that b!tched about those of us that wanted to lose more and get a better draft pick don't look so smart now.
TheFinReaper - January 19, 2012
I would still
rather us have won those games. More we can truly assess what we have on the team and what we need. Had we gone 1-15 or 0-16, Bush would’ve been wasted picks, DT would be a bust already, Pouncey would have been a huge mistake, Moore was worse than Henne, the whole team would be garbage. We would have been scrambling for every pick available in the draft and blowing the cap on any FA possible.
Players on 0-16 teams don’t seem to be around too much longer.
PhinNomenol! - January 19, 2012 via Android app
Really?
Bush would still have another year to prove himself, DT would be a bust after only 1 injury-hampered season, and Pouncey would have been a mistake despite being rock solid and at times showing signs of brilliance. Sorry but nobody in the NFL is that pessimistic that they write any top 3 round draft choices after only 1 season especially after a lockout shortened off season.
Moore would have already won 1 game more than Henne (We were 1-7 remember?). How was the whole team garbage because we went 1-15? The point you are missing is that the coaching philosophy was the problem, not the talent level. We only won games after Sparano started trying to adapt his game plans to open up the offense. We dominated 2 of the 4 teams in the Championship round of the playoffs (And the two teams that are riding the most momentum right now) for 1 full half of football before falling back to a conservative philosophy and letting them back in and eventually losing the games. That has nothing to do with the talent level of the team.We wouldn’t have to scramble for squat since we would have the #2 pick in all but 1 round (Whichever round pick we traded for Reggie Bush). That essentially gives us 2 first round talent selections (#2 & #34) and then 2 more picks inside the top 100 picks (#66 & #98). We could trade back for a FORTUNE in round 1 (Like St. Louis will try to do) and end up with 6-7 picks in the top 100. How is that having to scramble for every pick available? With all of those top level picks we wouldn’t have to concern ourselves blowing the cap on free agents. If we don’t trade back we take RG3 with the #2 pick and use the remaining 3 picks to lockup a TE, RT, and OLB. We could pick up FS Michael Griffin from Tennessee in FA and suddenly we are vastly upgraded at virtually every position of need without having to break the bank on free agents or trade picks to fill our holes and every spot would be filled with round 3 caliber talent or better.WHAT?? 0-16 teamS? There has only ever been 1 team to go 0-16. Of the 53 man roster that finished that 2008 season, 10 of them are still on Detroit’s roster 3 full seasons later.18.9% a full 3 seasons after the fact. Seems like the truth will surprise you since you believe that an 0-16 team dumps in roster and starts over from scratch within 2 seasons (Presumably 2 seasons but your statement makes it sound like less than that). You always try to improve your team so retaining more than 25% of your active roster after 3 season is not so cut and dry. For instance, we have 15 members from our 2008 roster still on the team 3 seasons later. We have 5 more retained players but since 2008 we have had 32 draft picks (18 in the first 150 picks) while Detroit has had 30 draft picks (20 in the first 150 picks) so Detroit has been helped by having higher talent draft picks than we have.TheFinReaper - January 19, 2012
When we were 0-7
the thoughts were alway that Bush was a wasted trade. In preseason DT was already losing fan support. So a complete season would not have gained much positive opinion. Everyone was down on the defense, so continued losses would’ve perpetuated that notion.
Moving back at all, we wouldn’t have gotten a starter quality QB. And most feel starter quality talent is in the first round, maybe a few “acorns” in the second. So where would we have found a lineup to satisfy the critics?
By playing and winning, we (and the future coach) got a chance to see that as opposed to blowing up the team and grabbing scraps from other teams, we instead ned a few cogs to have a well running machine in Miami. I’m proud of them and wouldn’t ask any different given the chance.
PhinNomenol! - January 19, 2012 via Android app
I was never on the Suck for Luck bandwagon, but I'm definitely on the "Get Out of Mediocrity" bandwagon
I see no benefit in finishing 6-10 as opposed to 1-15. That doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy watching the Dolphins win and it doesn’t mean I don’t want them to win. I just can’t see a benefit to a team like us to finish with the record we did. That sounds backwards, but the way I see it, if you can’t win and make the playoffs, you might as well win the draft.
The Earl - January 19, 2012
If Duke wanted to be Valedictorian
and midway through, found out he couldn’t obtain it because he was let’s say 30th in a class of 100. Would Duke purposely flunk his classes (knowing one parent was excited for him to graduate while the other hoped he’d be valedictorian)? Would Duke flunk out the rest of the year just to try again next year?
PhinNomenol! - January 20, 2012 via Android app
Guy can you stop making up bullshit and provide some damn facts! you have not provided not one bit of evidence to support your argument!!!!
Go look up the Broncos offensive stats in ’09 and ’10! They were ranked in the top half of the league! Can you take a guess at who was the Broncos offensive coordinator? MIKE McCOY
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
stop saying they had the worst offense in the NFL just cause you find there offense boring.
The had the #1 ranked rushing attack and the #21 ranked offense overall this season. That’s not the worst offense in the NFL.
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Dumb ass I live in CO, The Denver offense is in last place in all categories. How is that not facts.
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Look it up any where
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
You continue to talk out of your ass....
Stop making up bullshit!!! Look up the stats you dumbass!
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Okay I will rephrase for jet fan Jp 23
The worst offense in the nfl dead last in everything that counts but running sorry, we all know dolphins struggled running the ball. Dip shit
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
Dude are you serious? Have you ever seen Tebow throw a football? Hop off his jock!
And btw, running the football matter A LOT!
JP 23 - January 19, 2012
Saying Orton's 2nd best season as under McCoy does NOT instill Confidence!
MassFinFan65 - January 18, 2012
not his 2nd best season. his TWO best seasons as a QB in the NFL came under McCoy
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Dip shit that's not saying much.Orton best is not even close to Brady's worst. That is an invalid argument I can state McCoy had Orton and Tebow s best...
But the broncos offense has been middle to sub par
fsu_csu - January 18, 2012
I feel like I'm talking to an 11 year old.
You’re completely misunderstanding the point guy! McCoy hasn’t ever coached an elite QB like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc. But with a mediocre QB like Kyle Orton he was able to get the most out of him. I’d love to see what he can do with an elite QB!
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
Orton?
Are you still on THAT train to Deadendsville?
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who's coaching this team, unless we start drafting better (and find a franchise QB), no coach will succeed here.
JP 23 - January 18, 2012 via mobile
I would prefer Flynn however you spell his name over matt moore any day.
But as a true Die hard Dolpfan I want Philbin and trade up to draft RG(3) or bring in flynn
HeatAllDay - January 18, 2012
I have big dreams of the Dolphins winning the superbowl and having the parade down miami gardens.
ahhh a man can dream.
HeatAllDay - January 18, 2012
Orton sucks
The Earl - January 18, 2012
reply fail
The Earl - January 18, 2012
A Duke fail!
Write that down….
Alpha6 - January 18, 2012
ok ok
if we get joe, it doesn’t mean flynn comes to play qb too. i would rather todd stay. he got my attention the last 3 games. i just hope who ever they decide to pick stays, and gets a chance. that doesn’t mean fire him within 2 fricken years. what made this franchise so special was the coach was there forever. oh where have you gone don? the steelers are a good run organization…..last 40 years…..3 coaches. we have gone through at least that many in the last 10! enough already.
yappy007 - January 18, 2012
Don't know why Arians hasn't been mentioned anywhere
so I’ll say Philbin,he brings a plug-n-play Offense but the question is his staff.Who’s the OC,QB Coach,who’s calling plays,will/would/can he pull double-duty?As long as he don’t bring Moss with him I think he would do well.
haildanhenningnow - January 18, 2012
It's good to see
that when we can’t make our point with facts and stats (either because they don’t exist our we are too lazy to look them up and link or post), we can always fall back on namecalling and insults. The good old days of being a kid again!
PhinNomenol! - January 18, 2012 via Android app
LOL I'm glad you see what I've been dealing with all day. I keep asking him to back-up his statements with stats and facts, but instead of looking anything upcause he knows he's wrong, he just decides to call me a dips hit or an idiot.
JP 23 - January 19, 2012
I would prefer Philbin.
But I think the Colts opening is going to throw a monkey wrench in our coaching search. IMO the Colts job is more desirable.
luvs2drnk - January 18, 2012
Lmfao! Dude. Seriously? Wikipedia? That's the link you show me! Hahaha! I gave you actual statistics that you can look up yourself if you'd like. You gave me..... Wikipedia! LOL
You know what. You win. :) You’re 100% right. You’ve changed my mind. Thank you for showing me the light!
People like yourself are the problem with these blog sites.
JP 23 - January 19, 2012
Hahahaha
Amazing
Little Nicky 21 - January 19, 2012 via Android app
This thread will go down in Phinsider legend.
PNSter - January 19, 2012
That guy was driving me insane! I wanted to throw my iPad across the room.
All his comments were deleted. I guess it has something to do with him calling me pretty much every foul name in the book. LOL
JP 23 - January 19, 2012
I can imagine
We had our own run-in over McCoy. The worst part is, I don’t even consider him my first choice in coach. I just respect what the guy did with Tebow and noted that. I’m pulling for DolPhil(bin) as the next head coach.
PhinNomenol! - January 19, 2012 via Android app
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