Note to Jeff Fisher and select members of the football media: get over yourselves already.
Less than 24 hours after Fisher made his big decision last Friday afternoon to spurn the Miami Dolphins and take the St. Louis Rams' head-coaching position, a number of stories started popping up on the Internet, suggesting that the Dolphins were losers for once again failing to land the biggest head-coaching name on the market; losers for not giving in to Fisher's terrorist-like demands and granting him final say over all player personnel decisions; and losers for failing to be a more desirable destination than St. Louis. Adding insult to injury, a certain media outlet (heretofore known as the "Player Haters Ball") on Friday and Saturday featured several segments with under-qualified talking heads wondering why Dolphins owner Stephen Ross couldn't close the deal with Fisher.
Twelve months after Ross' failed campaign to hire Jim Harbaugh as head coach, Fisher's rejection of Miami basically put the Dolphins back in the role of NFL laughing stock--a franchise that is indeed fit for losers.
Except the Dolphins shouldn't be a laughing stock right now, and they certainly shouldn't be considered "losers" for balking at Fisher's steep demands. The way I see it, Jan. 13, 2012, will one day be looked at by Dolfans as the date when Ross finally removed his team from the path of mediocrity and committed to placing the Dolphins on the road toward becoming a successful franchise in-tune with the current pass-heavy state of the NFL. By ultimately refusing to give in to a coach who would've given the Dolphins the same things they've had for much of the post-Marino era (a conservative approach to play calling, an obnoxious mustache, etc.), Ross finally matched his actions with his rhetoric and showed that his chief priority isn't to reel in big coaching names and settle for whatever they accomplish, but to instead build a long-term winner and bring Lombardi Trophies to Miami.
Several stories published in the wake of Fisher's decision have consisted of some pretty strong myths and a lot of downright illogical reasoning. At this point, I'd like you to put on your beret (if you have one) and join me in going all Mythbusters on these shoddy columnists.
The Player Haters Ball on Friday pretty much teed off on Ross mere hours after Fisher's announcement, criticizing the Dolphins owner for "whiffing" on the coaching candidate who many (you know who you are) considered to be the best on the market. Jeff Fisher is the best available head coach? The guy who took over for fired Houston Oilers head coach Jack Pardee in 1994 and proceeded to spew out 16-and-a-half seasons of mind-numbingly-average football, including just six seasons with more than eight wins? That's your best coaching candidate ... and we missed out on him?
Rats!
In all seriousness, "most well-known coach available" would've been a more accurate description of Fisher. The guy went 8-8 five times in Houston and Tennesse, and I guess I am just looking for a head coach who is more than just a slight improvement over the previous Dolphins coaches who brought Miami plenty of 6-10 and 7-9 seasons. And the Titans' drafts during the Fisher era were ultimately average, too, which brings me to my next point ...
Myth No. 2: Stephen Ross should have given Fisher the power of final say over personnel decisions
It has been reported by several media outlets that Fisher, likely scarred from his time spent with Titans owner Bud Adams, wanted to have final say over all Dolphins personnel decisions (other reports suggest that Fisher simply wanted the power to veto general manager decisions). Worse yet, several pundits thought Ross actually made a mistake by not going over general manager Jeff Ireland's head and granting that level of power to Fisher (which would've resulted in Fisher essentially becoming Ireland's boss).
Um, what?
Final say over personnel matters? Our head coach would be making those decisions? No, thanks. That's the kind of power you give to Bill Belichick or Bill Cowher--guys who have proven time and time again that they have a strong understanding of front office structure and a keen eye for talent. Fisher, however, hasn't proven that he's a great talent evaluator, and it's generally a bad idea anyway to blend the coaching and front office factions in any particular regime unless you are absolutely positive a head coach can thrive in that dual-role position. And given Fisher's fondness for the "run now, ask questions later" style of offense, it's a big question mark as to whether or not he would've attempted to acquire the splash players that Dolphins fans are clamoring for right now (more on this in a moment). Consider this bullet dodged, Dolphins fans.
Anyone who disagrees with the sentiment that Fisher would've given Miami more of the same conservative and borderline generic play calling should probably consider this bit of news: The Fisher-led Rams are set to hire former New York Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. Get ready for The Greatest Show on Turf 2.0, Rams fans.
Anyway, if Fisher had wanted a legitimate say in personnel matters, perhaps that could've been negotiated. It's understandable that Fisher, coming off of his experience with Adams, didn't want to be on the outside looking in as he was while in Tennessee; however, the fact that he wanted control of the whole enchilada in Miami was an utter deal breaker. Credit Ross for not giving in to Fisher's demands on this one.
Also, when did Fisher suddenly become the next Ozzie Newsome?
Myth No. 3: The Rams' roster is superior to the Dolphins'
In what alternate universe is this claim actually true? A gun-shy quarterback, relic backfield, underachiever offensive line, wasteland receiver corps and horrific defense (led by defensive end Chris Long, middle linebacker James Laurinaitis and ... well, just those two guys) surely trumps a Dolphins squad that has a capable veteran quarterback, loaded backfield, strong offensive line (with the exception of Marc Colombo, of course), physical receivers corps and a young, hot-shot defense. One article even stated that the Rams are in a better position because they have Rodger Saffold at left tackle, while the Dolphins have Jake Long, who has been battling injuries as of late. Such a great point. That's why Saffold will likely be at right tackle next season after the Rams draft a new blindside protector.Give me a wheelchair-ridden Jake Long over just about any left tackle in the NFL.
Then there's the Dolphins' quarterback issue, which was raised several times by the media during Fisher Watch 2012. Look, Sam Bradford is a gifted signal caller with tons of promise, but he was torn to bits early and often during the 2011 season ... to the point where he played like he wanted no part of St. Louis' offense. Gone were the stunning accuracy and pocket poise that Bradford put on display during his 2010 rookie season, and there's no telling when his swagger will return. Bradford's a better option than Dolphins quarterback Matt Moore, but he's not necessarily blowing away the Miami signal caller at this point.
Sure, Fisher could quickly turn the Rams around with some key acquisitions, but that team went 2-14 for a reason: they're terrible. Contrast their situation with the Dolphins, who might've been a 10-6 team this year had they not shlubbed their way through the lockout last summer, and it's clear that the Dolphins, not the Rams, are the team with plenty of upside.
What's next for the Dolphins?
As fate would have it, the playoff teams currently employing Dolphins-approved coaching candidates (New Orleans, Green Bay and Denver) all lost this weekend, which means Ross and Co. can immediately move on from the Fisher fiasco and continue looking for the head-coaching candidate who is the best fit in Miami. Chicago Bears special teams coach Dave Toub, Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin and Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer have all interviewed for the Dolphins position, and it's likely that Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy and New Orleans Saints offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael Jr. will join that list sometime this week. Names such as Carolina Panthers offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski and Green Bay assistant coach Winston Moss have also been tossed around.
Regardless of who the Dolphins choose as head coach, it's a safe bet that the team won't have to wait two weeks to receive confirmation from that candidate.
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18 recs | 137 comments
Totally REC'D! Great write-up!
I know I’m happy we’ve moved on to other candidates!..
Dolphinator - January 16, 2012 via mobile
Losers
If I remember correctly, the last time we were winners is when we got Parcells over the Falcons. They had to settle for Ditrimoff and Mike Smith. Since we “won” we have made the playoffs one year and are still searching for our Franchise QB. Atlanta has their QB, three straight playoff appearances and a roster full of talent. Sometimes winning isn’t about getting the big name. We just need to pick the best coach. We have a good roster, just need to pull it all together.
VA phin Fan - January 16, 2012
Couldn't agree more!
I never understood why so many people hold Fisher in such high regard. 6 winning seasons in 16 years as a head coach? 0 Super Bowl Rings. And a career winning percentage just barely above .500? Granted, a new “unknown” coach is always a crapshoot, but I’d rather roll the dice than settle for proven mediocrity.
mikes2923 - January 16, 2012
he was the safe pick
You knew what you were getting with Fisher, some level of consitancy, as opposed to Carmichael, Philbin, or even Chud (Love you Chud.) who Head coaching ability is somewhat of a mystery.
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
Agreed, but I think that’s part of the reason we have not seen a Super Bowl for so many decades. Miami tends to always go for the safe pick, instead of taking a risk and reaching for greatness.
mikes2923 - January 16, 2012
agreed
But a word of caution Cam Camaran was a risk pick. and we know how that worked out
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
Thanks for the memories... my ulcer just got a little bigger.. lol
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
lol… also a fair point….
mikes2923 - January 16, 2012
I'm still farting, only now i'm holding the mirror & watching my facial reactions!
wild zion beaver - January 16, 2012
lmfao
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Well said:
I was wondering why a lot of people on this site were wanting Jeff Fisher. He’s shown his resume for 16 years with the Oilers / Titans and everything points to mediocre. I would rather take a chance on a young hot shot OC from a good team and hope to find a diamond in the rough, than waste another 3-4 years on a coach that has shown he can’t win BIG GAME in 16 years. Just sayin. Also, don’t know if I can deal with another stache another 3-4 years.
Wade - January 16, 2012
Great post and rec'd sir!
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
I will admit that I wanted Fisher
my main reasoning was that I wanted an experienced guy. I knew his mediocre resume, but still might have signed him because he has been around and experienced everything. I wanted him, but was never crazy about Fisher, I never said “Fisher or bust” or anything like that. I would say I was about 60-40 in favor of Fisher. However, once I heard he wanted the type of control he did, I became strongly against signing him. In the end I’m happy Ross turned him down and this post (which is great btw) fully backs what I thought. Now we have the opportunity to finally move our team in a new direction. We can get an offensive minded coach and change our identity
#1Heatfan - January 16, 2012
I was also cool with Fisher coming to Miami, mainly because coaching stability is up high on my list right now
But his ransom tactics and ridiculous demands did me in.
kmb8488 - January 16, 2012
agreed
i rooted for Fisher, because the three guys we interviewed at the time weren’t blowing me away…
But i will survive without him
BSerious72 - January 16, 2012
Well stated
For one, I am tired of all the crap that is being slung towards Ross n Ireland. I understand it, but am tired of it. Ross has screwed up, sure, but let’s just see what Ross does these next few weeks. I know a lot ppl are hating on Ireland, but u have to admire how Ross has stuck by him, JI is his guy, and he is backing him 100 percent, whether u agree or not, that is admirable. Let’s just give these guys a chance to work this offseason and see what happens. I believe and hope that this Fisher miss was a blessing in disguise.
One thing is for sure, time will tell…
RagingFin - January 16, 2012
Agreed
Highly rec’d
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Very well done nice job Rec'd
labrat3105 - January 16, 2012
Geeez. Most common-sensed, down-right excellent article on truth instead of shit-talk from the "paid" pundits.
Thank you!
Oh, and rec’d.
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
The jury is still out...
We really don’t know if letting Fisher go was okay yet; we have nothing to compare it to. Until they hire a coach, we can say all we want about Fisher’s mediocre record. But, if we end up with a guy who makes baffling calls on game day, does not make correct adjustments throughout the game, and makes us tear our hair out in the last two minutes, then what? Anybody who has coached at some level in the NFL for 10-20 years (ie: the list of available coaches) can get a team prepared during 6 days of the week. Its the 7th day that always makes us shake our heads and say," What now?"
Don’t get me wrong. As each day passes, I am more okay with this decision. I did NOT want Shottenheimer Jr. calling plays in Miami. But we can only hope whoever comes here has the you-know-what to get it done every day of the week…especially on Sunday.
By the way, let me plug my choice again. CHIP KELLY!!!!!!!!!!
Dolfan256 - January 16, 2012
great article
very well thought out Rec’d
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
The Path to Mediocrity Continues
Stephen Ross’ decision to retain Ireland will continue the Dolphin’s path to mediocrity. We still don’t have a franchise QB. Since Marino retired, we’ve gone through a dozen QBs and at least 5 coaches, if I recall. Our only appearance in the playoffs in the past 10 years in 2008 was, because a really good QB who was ejected from the Jets landed in our laps. The Dolphins franchise will continue to be mismanaged by Ireland, made irrelevant by Ross’ penchant for entertainment extravagance and the lack of a consistent philosophy of building for the future. This is the reason why the Dolphins have castaways from other teams, aging and overpaid players and overpaid and under-performing players. Maybe Fisher wasn’t the right man to right this tilting ship in South Florida. When the brain-trust in South Florida finally settles on a no-name assistant coach or a college wannabe pro-head coach, the ship will continue to list. There will be more blacked-out games in the future as fewer fans come to see a team that continues to lose more games than it wins. The Dolphins continue their march into NFL history as the most irrelevant team in the 21st century.
DarthVader - January 16, 2012
For what it's worth, I believe 2012 will either be Ireland's best draft, or his last as GM of the Dolphins
kmb8488 - January 16, 2012
Heh heh heh... not his last, imo
But that’s an easy hedge yo took. And after such a good article? You’re weaseling out… lol
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
How so? He believes in Ireland but if he does not come through he is gone!
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
No. I believe Ireland stays. It's not a one and done deal for him with Ross.
By the way Ross stood by him, I don’t think it’s a “I give up”… gimme someone better right away. Ireland would have to totally shit on this draft for that to happen.
Would the same be of the new head coach? If he screws up the 16 game season he’s out? No. And really, what are the chances of totally screwing up this draft or the coach pissing the season down the drain?
I just don’t think the pendulum swinging far to one side or the other is a realistic view.
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
I don't think that was the point he was making just how you read it to it.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Just a little nugget to further prove the point that what Fish was asking for was not a good idea.
IMO if Fish wanted full control then he was not the coach for us.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
GREAT POST -
I, for one that knows just the basics and a little bit more, could not for the life of me understand why as soon as Sparano was fired, it seemed everyone here wanted Fisher, Crowher, Gruden – just big-name coaches. A few Super Bowl victories (ALL combined) but I didn’t say a word and I just read you experienced opinions.
I CAN’T STAND THOSE GUYS AS OUR COACH. I don’t know what people see in them – just a name. I can’t tolerate it anymore. Get over it. Don’t mention their names anymore, pelase.
We will find a great coach – one who knows offense and thereby keeping Nolan or maybe hiring a def. coor., forcing Nolan elsewhere – who knows. But we will find a young hungry man who appreciates a young team, a thriving team, much better equipped than the Rams are. Don’t worry.
I love all of you – but please get off this Fisher bandwagon. It’s nonsense. He’s not that great.
Valentine14 - January 16, 2012
fisher is mr .542 win pct all time
he’s not going to establish a dynasty in st louis.
palewook - January 16, 2012
What i liked best about this post..
is the overwhelming sense of pride and enthusiasm that you still have for this team. I loved your point of view and share it completely. Too many people have written this talented young team and our franchise off because of the unfortunate results of the past couple of seasons. We are not what our record says we are. We are the miami f’ing dolphins and we have a lot to look forward to. Great post, and most definitely rec’d
Phinphinatic - January 16, 2012
▲This▲
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
well said creeppy cat guy
^
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
LOL Creepy cat guy? That's funny.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Yes, well said.
Bakersfield Blowholes - January 16, 2012
Agreed!
Not getting fisher will be the best thing to happen to the phins this offseason.
54 - January 16, 2012 via mobile
I AGREE THAT WE ARE MUCH BETTER THAN OUR RECORD
It takes a turnover to lose a game. We could play our hearts out and have the other team kick a winning goal. Does that mean that we are a lousy team? NO. We are a great team who just happened to get some bad breaks. I’d rather have a hungry man without the head coaching experience and have us all learn together and work hard together than some ego-maniac who only wants total control. We’re a great team and we will make the playoffs next year. WE WILL.
Valentine14 - January 16, 2012
Why are you yelling?
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
lol
Phinphinatic - January 16, 2012
Very nice read
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Is that your car?
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Yes!
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Well, soill the deatils man!
HP
Top speed
Engine
Interior
Package or model
Common man! Spill it!
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
2011 GT500
550 HP, 510 torque
155 MPH (electronically limited)
5.4 liter V8, super charged
6 speed
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Good Lord. That's gotta freakin fun.
I wanna ride some day!
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Come on over
But leave your monkey home!
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Yeah that monkey will just crap all over you seats.
But then again that might be better then what Alpha leaves behind.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
I'll put some plastic down first
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Yeah but for the smell?
Good luck.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Yeah there is that
You’re out of luck Alpha. LOL
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Damn it TCP! You'd mess up a wet dream.
Wait. That’s not a good come back.
awe come on maniac… I’ll wear pampers and bring one of those hanging smelly tress for your rear view…. lol
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Better find out where he's at first. Might be in your neck of the woods?
Dolfan88 - January 16, 2012
Dude,
No wet dreams in the car
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
See!
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
I see what you mean
Scary!
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Not to mention the cost of the counseling that you will require after the experience!
So many things that will never go away………….
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Yeah, it will take years to even get back to half normal after Alpha visits you.
Bacon disappeared after his visit, LOL.
Dolfan88 - January 16, 2012
Yes. I still pray for that poor little albino monkey.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Damn you! Damn you all!
You guys are scewing up my cool ride..!
That monkey.. I shoulda not voluteered to house him. And I thought I was doing good drillin holes in that box. He used them for his glory. His association has damaged my rep.
I wasn’t me that messed him up… it was that visit to Nicky that did it. He’s been crappin all over the place since. It’s like he can’t hold it in anymore…
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Um...........
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
lol
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Alpha,
I’m sure the monkey is house broken but are you?
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Yes.. yes.. I'm normal.
(still holds a straight face as he types it)
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Oh,
Well in that case, come on over. we’ll test the limits.
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
It was my birthday present
to myself!!!
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
you rich bastard
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
Not rich anymore!
Now just a bastard.
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
lmao....
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Great Post!
I had been saying stuff similar to this for awhile…starting when the Fisher fiasco began…..the link posted (I think Day 2 of Fisher watch) citing reasons we should send Fisher packing made a lot of great points as well. He has proven he can provide mediocre teams at best most of the time with the occasional good team catching some breaks…..lets get someone young and hungry that doesn’t provide us with an outdated offensive mindset! Great article! Rec’d
whataboutdafins - January 16, 2012
Very interesting and good take
I admit I did want to BringFisher aboard because I feel as if we need a veteran respected voice to get some leadership and direction out of this squad…. but also because I wasn’t too high on Toub, Zimmer, or Philbin (after his personal tragedy; i just don’t think it would be fair for him or us to hand him the keys to a brand new NFL franchise and tell him to produce).
However I can’t say i disagree with anything you said and this was very well written. I want a new face who can be a leader but also who has proven experience and commands respect and loyalty from players.
I’d focus my direction to either Pete Carmichael Jr. (Saints OC) or Winston Moss (Packers Asst. Coach)
BSerious72 - January 16, 2012
Great post, I wanted to comment on this part:
One of the knocks against Belichick lately is that he is trying to do too much. While he has his hand in choosing his players, he also listens to the input from the scouting department and the head of personell. If they all agree, then fine, but if they don’t, Hoodie doesn’t say “My way or the highway”, they look deeper until they can come to an agreement on where the player is ranked amongst other players available. Draft, FA, whatever.
They also look at what role that player will fill and set the dollar amount based on the role. How many downs will they play, whatever. That’s about the only way you can stay under the cap and still have quality depth to finish the season.
The head coach is always going to have to work with the personell guys for the team to be successful. It doesn’t work to grab 4-3 guys if the coach is going to play 3-4, for instance. You shouldn’t grab man coverage CB’s if you play mostly zone (unless the guy can do both equally well). If the coach is pass first, you’re going to need a pass first quality QB, etc. The best guy available is going to be the best guy that can do what the team needs him to do.
Once you have the team assembled, a good coach will put his players in the best position to win. He’ll scheme to hide their flaws and accentuate their strengths. A good example is the way Sean Payton saw his tackles beaten, so he set up a winged front where there were blockers available to chip the defenders. Sometimes they stayed in, and sometimes the chipped on the way out fro a route.
If the FO and the HC are at war, the team loses. Congrats on not getting Fisher. If Schotty’s his guy, then it doesn’t look good.
SlotMachinePlayer - January 16, 2012
I agree and I will never believe that the HC essentially being the GM is a good idea.
There is too much for the HC to do as it is. Like you said the coaches, the entire coaching staff should have input in to who is taken or signed but there has to be someone who’s job it is to find those guys to fit those holes once they are identified by the coaching staff.
As I have said over and over, if Fish wanted full control then he was not the right coach for the Dolphins.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
There are VERY few guys that can fill that role as HC.
McD got into trouble because he had a yes man as a GM (also he was an ass). You need someone who will give you an honest opinion.
In KC, Pioli and Haley were at odds, and that’s bad for the whole team.
The GM shouldn’t dump players onto the coach that he doesn’t want and can’t use. Likewise, the coach has to adjust to the reality of who the GM can get. It’s like a marriage, and like any successful marriage, there’s compromise. If not, it ends in a Black Monday divorce.
You guys have seen a lot of those lately.
SlotMachinePlayer - January 16, 2012
I agree. They need to be able to argue with the GM having final say but in the end both coming to some sort of
agreement with what is best for the team always at the forefront and it not being about getting their way. When you have a guy like Parcells running the show there is going to be only one way to do things and that’s his way.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Like a marriage...
Is there any farting under the sheets?
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Maybe, but you learn to lift the covers with your foot to let it clear.
In a good marriage, you’re honest about SBD….
SlotMachinePlayer - January 16, 2012
Great write up! I just feel better and better every day for not getting Fisher.
The only real upside of fisher to me was his experience and the level of respect he commands, which in turn would lead to better coordinators. I think Schottenheimer could be a decent oc if he didn’t have sanchize out there throwing it to god knows where. But, I am not as down on Ireland as everyone else is and think he has done quite a bit, once given the reigns, to improve our talent level. He’s done well through the draft and even better through free agency. Although Fish, as I’ve read, only wanted ultimate veto power if he was completely against the player for some reason. It’s clear it was time for him and the fins to move on. I like the structure as it is with Ireland bringing in the fruit and the coaches squeezing the juice. I too read Peter King this morning re: the last 6 SB winners had a dedicated gm with full personnel authority and completely agree with that structure.
It sounds like Nolan wants to leave anyway and I have always liked and respected Mike Zimmer. He’s tough and runs one hell of a defense. Would also be interested in seeing what a high flying guy like Chud or Pete Carmichael could do.
We’ll see fellas but I agree with KMB. Don’t listen to the crappy media. Miami is only a lauging stock b/c they insist on pushing that down our throats. We have good talent, we just need to pull it together and put it on the field. 10-6 atleast next year, did you see our schedule. Wooo hoooo.
Youngstown_Phinatic - January 16, 2012
Let the Spin Begin
So now its he Dolphins walked away from Fischer? WOW!!! And if Organization is (GM, Owner) is more important that a HC then why are’nt we sitting where the 49ers are? How about ask Don Shula to come in and be President of Operations or Marino (this time not just a title), someone who cares about this organization and its history who is willing to go out and get a HC/GM combination for the long term future.
Ross needs to sit back and learn how to be an owner. Its not celebraties and orange carpet that sells tickets but a winning team with a winning attitude and that starts from the top. Ross is looking like a duche and seems to be becoming the Danile Snyder of the AFC.
AFT - January 16, 2012
How is the fact that they would not give him what he wanted and bow to his demands so he took the other job putting a spin on things?
Keith is a lot of things but a spin master is not one of them.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Walked Away?
Not really, per se. They (Phins FO) didn’t kill the deal, as the term walk away would suggest. However, I give them mad props for holding their ground throughout the negotiations and not getting raped just for the sake of having an experienced mediocre to alright coach. One point for the home team!
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Yeah its the same thing. They would not give in so he took the other job. So be it I say!
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
If Fisher was truly 80-20 in favor of the Dolphins, and Ross refused to hand over personnel say (a sticking point in the deal), then I would consider that "walking away"
kmb8488 - January 16, 2012
Yes. Indeed. Us walking away.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Eh.
I can’t really call ir walking away. Had they announced they were no longer waiting on Fisher, then ok. But they still came out looking strong.
Phins up, Mr Ross.
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Well it may have been more like this is the job under these terms that we are offering. Take it or leave it.
He chose the latter and we are better off for it.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
I agree one hundred percent
It’s really a matter of semantics. BUT, why quibble over small details? Either way, Fisher, take a hike!
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Yep.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Completely agree
Time to move on!
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
So Be It
Indeed! I would have lost a lot of respect for Ross had he given in to Fisher. As much as fans are knocking his football acumen, it’s his business sense that may eventually give the Phins the structure and swagger to once again be a prominent franchise.
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Agreed
kmb8488 - January 16, 2012
Also if anyone has a doubt that the Phins holding on to control was a smart thing here is the article titled
http://deadspin.com/5876513/
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Thanks!
Hopefully this will make a few Fisher supporters scratch their heads.
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Yeah he has started out with a shitty coordinator on both sides of the ball. I am sure this is not the sort
of thing that people would be happy with around here. I feel after seeing that, that we dodged a bullet.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Wer matrix dodged quite a few bullets
1. Crappy coordinators he is amassing
2. I think the exciting offense we built this year would revert to a mostly ground game
3. The defense going 4-3 would require new personnel, meaning another gelling phase
4. Likely our entire coaching staff would turn over, requiring time for a new staff to learn the ins and outs of them and build relationship
5. He has alway displayed his penchant for not being able to rise above when he is challenged or things don’t do his way. We don’t need this in a coach or instilled in players
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Actually the defensive change would not be a huge deal but having shitty coordinators to install
it would be an issue.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Troll?
Dolfan88 - January 16, 2012
We'll see when Fisher does the shitting on the Rams....
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Fisher made the best decision for himself and the Dolphins. He played it safe for his job IMO.
He didn’t pick Bradford therefore if he can’t make him a success its not his fault. Either way, he has no pressure to draft a QB early from the fans. He would’ve in Miami.
The Rams have been a terrible team for the last 5 years. Fisher could only put up 5-8 wins each year for the next 3 years and his job would be safe. Miami is ready to win now.
The bottom line is Fisher doesn’t have the same pressure to be successful in St. Louis that he would’ve had in Miami.
mjams - January 16, 2012 via mobile
Very true.
Dolfan88 - January 16, 2012
So he chumped.
Win for Miami….
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Really, who gives a Fuck about Fisher?
He’s one of 31 enemy coaches now. I would rather not waste any more time even thinking about him until it’s time to kick his ass during the season. Please move on.
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
... in a fast car?
lol
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
LOL
Miamimaniac - January 16, 2012
Im happy we didnt get. I want someone from Green Bay so we can keep the 3-4 defense
biggaandbadda - January 16, 2012 via mobile
Fisher*
biggaandbadda - January 16, 2012 via mobile
I think you're onto something
I think OLBs like Courtney Upshaw and Whitney Mercilus are going to be high up on the Dolphins’ draft board if the team stays in the 3-4. We’re a weakside linebacker away from having an outrageously strong front seven.
kmb8488 - January 16, 2012
Wade Phillips would keep the 3-4. Although he prefers 1 gap over 2 gap.
Of course, then you’d have Wade Phillips and that would be another problem.
SlotMachinePlayer - January 16, 2012
Wade Phillips not going nowhere
biggaandbadda - January 16, 2012
I would take Wade in a heart beat as a coordinator but not HC.
He is not going to leave his home town for Miami if its for a lateral move.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Yeah, I was talking about as a HC.
That’s why it would be another problem.
SlotMachinePlayer - January 16, 2012
Yeah that is not happening.
texascowpunk - January 16, 2012
Wade as HC?
No thank you. At all. Unless this is hell.
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
If it was hell, then Brad Childress would be your HC.
Moar mustache!
SlotMachinePlayer - January 16, 2012
And creepy pedo beard
kmb8488 - January 16, 2012
lol
Alpha6 - January 16, 2012
Hmmmmm
I still think Wandstat brings the most ire as a bad coach. But after following Wade in Dallas…. I’d slip into terminal depression. He has neither big name (as an HC that is) nor does he scream young Don Shula.
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
no he sreams
Diabetes
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
screams.
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
Phillips vs Rex twice a year?
That screams sponsorship opportunities.
“Hello ladies and gentlemen, we are set for another great day of football. Today’s showdown features Rex’s Rusty Jets versus Philips and the Phins. This Thanksgiving edition is gonna be a special one today folks, our first annual Gravy Bowl. Thanks in part to our sponsor Tyson Foods, now you’re talking turkey! " Let’s get ready for kickoff.
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
lmfao
^^^^
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
I wouldn't hire Fisher
to coach a Pop Warner team. Even if he paid me.
TheCableguy - January 16, 2012
Sometimes I just wonder, what if had we gotten Jim Harbaugh and would have gotten us to the playoffs this year with the talent we had??
Makes you wonder doesn’t it?
Dolphinator - January 16, 2012
That didn't get worded just right huh? sorry... fat fingers
Dolphinator - January 16, 2012
it makes me want to shoot myself
out of sadness
Phinsphana - January 16, 2012
I definitely think we would have been in the playoffs
with Jim as our coach this year. And we would’ve been a force for decades to come. Now THAT one, I’ll consider a loss.
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
Also kind of makes me wonder,
where would our draft position have shaken out, and how much would Harbaugh be willing to spend to land Luck?
PNSter - January 17, 2012
This article is absolutely spot-on. Great read!
Jampic31 - January 16, 2012
I live in Tennessee and have had to deal with this subject every day since we were rumored to get him
My response then? I hope he doesn’t come to Miami. My response now? I am glad he didn’t come to Miami.
I watched year in and year out as Fisher tried and failed to keep control of the Haynesworths and the Young’s. He simply couldn’t handle the responsibilities that he was given there,and we would have asked him to lead a team that has Marshall,Incognito,Starks and a few others that IMO would have been a disaster. He couldn’t even handle Starks in Tennessee.
That alone made him a downgrade to even Soprano.
The veteran coach I would have pulled for is Billick. I still don’t know why we haven’t made a stronger attempt to get this guy. But in the end,and I may be the only one that thinks this,I really think Dave Toub is our guy.
There is precedence of a special teams guy coming in and taking reigns to a playoff dynasty. We have our offensive and defensive coordinators in place,and the owner feels strongly as do I that Ireland is a capable GM.
That leaves special teams,his specialty to be decided and allows for us to gain knowledge he has in schemes that have helped create one of the most explosive special teams in all of football. Not to mention we already have the kicker and punter,and I do believe the return specialist on our roster to give us a leg up in 2 of the 3 facets in football. While keeping Daboll allows us to see if more practice makes more perfect.
Needless to say,I am glad we didn’t get stuck with wanny 2.0
go phins
dolphinfan4lyfe - January 16, 2012 via mobile
Not sold on Toub
All I see I his background is a lot of strength and conditioning (which would be invaluable this offseason lol)
Special Teams, I gotta believe a lot of that has to do with Mr Hester. And unless Toub sneaks him to Miami in a carry on bag, I don’t think that carries enough weight to give him first vote for HC position.
PhinNomenol! - January 16, 2012 via Android app
lol at fisher being a "terrorist"
Fuhbawl - January 16, 2012 via mobile
Anyone else think we need to go after Matt Flynn?
If we can’t get Qb from draft which it looks like we won’t,maybe tannenhill.
PAPHIN4ever - January 16, 2012 via mobile
O and hell no to mccoy…. My god cause he fit a crappy offense around tblow they were8-8 we just saw what pats did to Denver and we see them 2x year.
PAPHIN4ever - January 16, 2012 via mobile
O and hell no to mccoy…. My god cause he fit a crappy offense around tblow they were8-8 we just saw what pats did to Denver and we see them 2x year.
PAPHIN4ever - January 16, 2012 via mobile
RE: Flynn, I think anyone could put up 400 yards in the packers offense.
The packers don’t have ANY running game and he passed it like fifty times that game. It was a good game but I would never mortgage the future on the guy or anything. I’d rather give up some picks for RGIII for the significantly higher ceiling. Sux that landry jones went back to school, I would’ve loved to pick him up. We are a lineman, outside rusher, and a guy or two in the secondary away from the playoffs next year.
Youngstown_Phinatic - January 16, 2012
Absolutely agree.
Although I think neither Landry or Tannehill are ready to start right away.
PNSter - January 17, 2012
Agree - Who Are The "Player Haters?"
I’m guessing WQAM are the player haters. That radio station has declined so badly. I hope the Canes dump them soon so they can just dissappear into complete irrelevency.
Drewrey - January 17, 2012
THis was avery well thought out and rational post
Patssuck456 - January 22, 2012
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